The Great Debate on Atheism

[Abu Haddad]

But it's not. I just explained to you how it very much, is physically possible. So physically possible, that it's happening right now, in front of your face. You're watching the whole thing.

the same way the bridge cannot have made itself then the universe also needs a creator

 

Then who made God? 

 

Your argument is that everything is created and if everything is created then God too in it of himself had also have been created. 

Let's do it like this. 

A chain. There's a chair. who made the chair. Human. Who made human. Cells. Who made cells. DNA. Who made DNA. we could go on forever and therefore the chain must have a stop where there is an object that could not have been created.

 

The BOP is on you, so we don't have to answer that question. You have to prove it was the truth.

Its a lie i made on purpose.

 

You haven't made a solid sound argument for God this entire thread. If anything, you win penny for me feeling sorry for your faulty thinking. 

Im sorry you feel that way

 

That's nature, your point is irrelivant. 

What made nature

 

Under this case you are arguing that God cannot be all powerful, because God is everything and under your argument you are limiting his abilities and hence arguing that he doesn't exist. 

It was just to show that in Rosalia's point of view there would be a god

[Fox Fire]

There i win.

The same way a bridge cannot create itself, the universe cannot have created itself it is physically impossible and we can assume it is a lie

next!!

Actually, let me re-address this: You're comparing an act of individual intellect born of an individual and distinctly unique self awareness to the phenomena of nature.

We know that bridge cannot build itself because we have observational and experimental evidence to support this claim. However, we don't have any of this for God. We can say that skyscraper is the result of a self awareness projecting it's own definable concepts onto its surroundings, and such a claim would be "fact" based on experimentation and observation. but we can't say this about natural objects, like a star for example. All objective evidence from observation and experimentation show absolutely nothing to support a self awareness projecting will upon the object in order to make it. We do know however, that things appear to create themselves without an self aware actor.  

[Abu Haddad]

but you said it was physically impossible for something to create itself so who created the universe?

Allah Almighty

[durmij]

Indeed. The sad part is that I could beat him in a debate on this matter and I'm a theist. 

He's barely forming sentences, let alone arguments.

[Lannan13]

why do you have ayn rand who was athiest and say your christian? 

Why do you support communism, but you constantly argue for a type of right wing politics?

[Captain_Vietnam]

Why do you support communism, but you constantly argue for a type of right wing politics?

communism is christian and trump is a christian who will bring socialist policies to america

 

why rand? 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Captain_Vietnam

[durmij]

Why do you support communism, but you constantly argue for a type of right wing politics?

Because he forgot what account he was on once, and now he has to keep pretending in order to keep up appearances.

[Lannan13]

the same way the bridge cannot have made itself then the universe also needs a creator

 

Let's do it like this. 

A chain. There's a chair. who made the chair. Human. Who made human. Cells. Who made cells. DNA. Who made DNA. we could go on forever and therefore the chain must have a stop where there is an object that could not have been created.

 

Its a lie i made on purpose.

 

Im sorry you feel that way

 

What made nature

 

It was just to show that in Rosalia's point of view there would be a god

Though by your argument you admit there's a chain that goes on. What if we are to stop at Cells? We could go further, but if go further, like you said, we could find more. By your own argument, we can find one of two things, either A) God doesn't exist as the chain would stop before him. Something created the very thing you call god. God could simply be that little voice in your head.

 

Like your god.

 

Why are you sorry I feel that way? You haven't made an argument. YOU should feel sorry for disappointing all of the theists on this site. 

 

What made god?

 

But you're own argument limits God's existance. Under your own argument god cannot exist. 

[Lannan13]

communism is christian and trump is a christian who will bring socialist policies to america

 

why rand? 

Christian Communism is a type of politics. How could you equate the two. Marx himself stated that religion is a drug and if people want to be free that they should give up their beliefs. Under that case, your own beliefs are contradictory. 

 

Her stance against Altruism. 

but you said it was physically impossible for something to create itself so who created the universe?

Allah Almighty

Who created Allah Almighty?

[Fox Fire]

but you said it was physically impossible for something to create itself so who created the universe?

Allah Almighty

No, I said it was physically impossible for a tree to build a bridge. I did however make it very clear in my opening argument that existence is illogical and spontaneous, even referencing quantum fluctuation, the act of particles, physical matter, spontaneously popping in and out of existence at random. Which is the act of the universe in motion. Further more, I also argued that just because something is an unknown, doesn't mean God did it, because there is simply no reason (<key word there) to think a God exists. Finally, I also argued that naming God is just moving the goal post to a location that for all we know, doesn't exist, and that existence itself, still remains illogical and that one can assume the phenomena of existence is omnipotent with more validity than the idea of a deity. This doesn't even touch of my argument about how it's quite impossible for a God to exist and have morals, thoughts, concepts, etc. You see if God is real, then his will is simply everything at once. Not any specific thing. Anything that has or ever will happen is by default the actions and will of God, thus making God inherently contradictory to his own moral teachings. 

 

You've countered not a single one of these points. All you've done is ask a trick question that can't even be considered a valid argument. 

"Men create bridges, thus God created the universe" is an invalid argument. 

[durmij]

That's how bad your arguments are.

[johnl023]

 

That's how bad your arguments are.

 

I, a Christian, am tempted to vote atheism myself. 

[Lannan13]

I guess he gave up.

[Abu Haddad]

it would be illogical that the chain of creation goes on for ever therefore there must be something that has not been created

[Lannan13]

it would be illogical that the chain of creation goes on for ever therefore there must be something that has not been created

If that's the case who says that it begins or ends with god?

[Abu Haddad]

If that's the case who says that it begins or ends with god?

the chain ends and begins with god.

The existence of god is beyond human comprehension.

We know that everything must begin and end but what it would be counter-intuitive in the chain of creation has no beginning or end

[Abu Haddad]

-snip-

where did those particles come from?

where were they before the big bang?

can you prove this?

Answer these and you win

[Guest hawkeye]

abrahamic religion is nothing more then a tool of technologically advanced governments for the purpose of control

 

they need to be scrapped along with technology to ensure paradise

[Lannan13]

the chain ends and begins with god.

The existence of god is beyond human comprehension.

We know that everything must begin and end but what it would be counter-intuitive in the chain of creation has no beginning or end

What proof do you have of this though? With a religious debate the BOP is on the Theist to attempt to prove the existance of a deity. 

 

There you are limiting god's power again which destroys the fact that Allah would be god. 

 

We know that everything begins and ends with this chain. It does not mean anything that you keep throwing god into this. You are using illogical arguments.

 

With that said, could you solve the Omnipotence paradox?

[Lannan13]

where did those particles come from?

where were they before the big bang?

can you prove this?

Answer these and you win

Singularities

 

In Singularities.

 

BVG Radio Waves

 

I win.

[Guest hawkeye]

 

A certain admin needs to put the lid on the mouth of this bigoted idiot, who most likely is a troll.

 

I do not at all believe that Abu is a Muslim, as I'd expect a Muslim to get something as fundamental to him as his religious beliefs right and actual spell the word “Hadith†correctly.

 

Keep it up. If you get into serious RL legal trouble due to your trolling, it isn't our fault.

[Lannan13]

Something else I would like to bring up.

 

There are millions of billions of planets out there, possible life on many of them, what makes you think god cares so much about this one little rock or would he even notice with the other countless planets, galaxies, and superclusters to sort through.

[Guest hawkeye]

Something else I would like to bring up.

 

There are millions of billions of planets out there, possible life on many of them, what makes you think god cares so much about this one little rock or would he even notice with the other countless planets, galaxies, and superclusters to sort through.

I'm going to guess if the topic maker here is a supporter of the ISIS, he'll be against evolution and life on other worlds as a result. As ISIS have banned the teaching of evolution in schools within areas which they control.

 

My suspecions are that they will probbaly smash up any evidence that is contray to Islamic Creationism if discovered based on their track record.

[SoS]

Why has God never built a bridge? Because God doesn't exist. I win, right?

[Fox Fire]

where did those particles come from?

where were they before the big bang?

can you prove this?

Answer these and you win

They come from literally nothing and everything at once. Overall, it's all the same exact thing and it's always been. It just "is" and that's all we will ever know, because there doesn't appear to be a logical justification for existence. No, I can not prove these claims, but they have more scientific validity than God.