Bollocks Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Clarke talking about morality, that's hilarious. Quote The Coalition Discord: https://discord.gg/WBzNRGK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Lol, it's because you keep your nations in mid tier and don't grow.You up-declare while they can't declare on you, so yeah, don't put yourself too high We try to grow, but we're always at war. You can't even fight one properly bby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Good luck gents. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaaddd22 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Pfeiffer sure is a master-mind-trickster. Not only did he somehow-magically make me and others raid Vanguard, which lead to the war(according to his evil plan to attack Oblige) - but he also wanted to Attack tS's ally - Alpha! Damn, Pfeiffer, what will you do next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted February 19, 2016 Wiki Mod Share Posted February 19, 2016 Lol, it's because you keep your nations in mid tier and don't grow.You up-declare while they can't declare on you, so yeah, don't put yourself too high You mean we coordinated our growth so we can do well at war. 4 Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I'm all for shitting on mensa, but coordinated growth plans are absolutely the most effective way of growing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm all for shitting on mensa, but coordinated growth plans are absolutely the most effective way of growing. What about multis or impersonation? Those seem to be your go-to tactics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Am I mistaken or didn't SK declare war on everyone on our side of the wall? Alpha recognized that declaration and hit them. If you are going to complain about the treaty game shouldn't you be upset with SK for declaring war on all of your allies on the other side of the war, not for Alpha for responding to it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roy Mustang Posted February 23, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2016 Silly me thinking we had all moved on from this thread. Congrats though, gents. You have brought Lazarus back from the dead Am I mistaken or didn't SK declare war on everyone on our side of the wall? Alpha recognized that declaration and hit them. If you are going to complain about the treaty game shouldn't you be upset with SK for declaring war on all of your allies on the other side of the war, not for Alpha for responding to it? You are plenty smart enough to realize that a ghost declaration arising from shitty wording does not necessarily constitute a threat. Now, I'm not sure how tied in to FA efforts they keep you (or if, indeed, you even care), but there was a diplomatic effort put forth to both clarify and correct what occurred, that included an offer of reps. Given what was on the table? Yeah, we're upset with Alpha for responding to a declaration that didn't involve any of their (at the time) treaty partners other than by the barest of technicalities, and responding to hostilities that absolutely did not include any of their treaty partners. As I've said before and will say again, from a trust perspective it would have been better if Alpha had simply said "we will be supporting Rose in this conflict" from the very beginning, instead of talking a good talk about straddling the line and then jumping at the chance to commit to one side based on a technicality. What they did, imo, isn't particularly abhorrent, whatever, it's politics, but it did destroy the trust we had in them and that's a fundamental underpinning of a treaty. Thus, no more treaty. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Roy, obviously the cool thing to do is side with Rose. Who has now blundered 2 initiatives in a war. Who really wants to out right admit they will side with Rose after that? 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 To be fair, your side in that war had already proven that they cant actually be controlled, aka what kicked off the war in the first place with Mensa's members going after Vanguard. So why should we believe that SK wouldn't eventually declare on whoever they wanted, since they declared on everyone? I get that its fun the gang up on a guy and do some character assassination, but Alpha members have been nothing but gracious in this thread, and have only been met with harsh comments and scorn. Don't let me get in the way of your PR spin. Alpha did a great job this war, and did everything you would want an alliance to do when trying to win a war. I have a feeling that is where a lot of this is coming from, because they did a great job shutting down a lot of people and took very little damage in return, so lets go after them politically instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 To be fair, your side in that war had already proven that they cant actually be controlled, aka what kicked off the war in the first place with Mensa's members going after Vanguard. So why should we believe that SK wouldn't eventually declare on whoever they wanted, since they declared on everyone? I get that its fun the gang up on a guy and do some character assassination, but Alpha members have been nothing but gracious in this thread, and have only been met with harsh comments and scorn. Don't let me get in the way of your PR spin. Alpha did a great job this war, and did everything you would want an alliance to do when trying to win a war. I have a feeling that is where a lot of this is coming from, because they did a great job shutting down a lot of people and took very little damage in return, so lets go after them politically instead. To be fair, your side in that war had already proven that they cant actually be controlled, aka what kicked off the war in the first place with Mensa's members going after Vanguard. So why should we believe that SK wouldn't eventually declare on whoever they wanted, since they declared on everyone? I get that its fun the gang up on a guy and do some character assassination, but Alpha members have been nothing but gracious in this thread, and have only been met with harsh comments and scorn. Don't let me get in the way of your PR spin. Alpha did a great job this war, and did everything you would want an alliance to do when trying to win a war. I have a feeling that is where a lot of this is coming from, because they did a great job shutting down a lot of people and took very little damage in return, so lets go after them politically instead. That in itself is a problem. Their full commitment to Rose's side and 'shutting people down' entirely contradicts the rhetoric we continuously met in backchannels in private conversations. Alpha did not take much damage because they were not countered. They were, in part, not countered specifically out of respect for Alpha-t$ relations, and for the understanding we held with them that their involvement would remain marginal (allowing them to honor their treaty with Rose without overtly picking one ally over the other. Something which they were adamant about not doing). Now, that word was broken based on a technicality. We are not disputing Alpha's effort this war, or its military abilities. We, The $yndicate, do however have every right to be upset with the trust that was broken between us and Alpha. Ergo, the treaty is gone. And yes, we are upset- publically so. The first Alpha comments in this thread constituted: 'We are sorry that treaty commitments pushed us to opposite sides ))))'. That's PR spin- it deliberately omits the specifics of the situation in order to pain a picture where it seems as if the syndicate is butthurt over them honoring what they believe to be treaty commitments. It also gives the grand illusion of the split-up being an amiable one. That quite simply is not the case, and therefore was disputed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I wouldn't try to explain it to SRD. His job is to make Alpha look good since they have a new relationship. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Alpha did a great job this war, and did everything you would want an alliance to do when trying to win a war. I have a feeling that is where a lot of this is coming from, because they did a great job shutting down a lot of people and took very little damage in return, so lets go after them politically instead. Well I can agree with you there at least, as far as the great job thing anyway. My angle with Rose minions like them has always been that they use their conflicting treaties such as the one with tS as a shield, something to take heat off themselves and if it comes to it they'll side with Rose. Some because they're friends with Rose higher ups and put Rose above their own alliance, others like dear Alpha because they apparently cry into their pillows at the mere thought of Mensa coming for them in the night. It's why I've always been so hostile to things like those ridiculous triple protectorates which may then get upgraded into "stronger" treaties. Someone will be getting betrayed and when Rose lackeys are running the show I'd think the end result is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I get that its fun the gang up on a guy and do some character assassination, but Alpha members have been nothing but gracious in this thread, and have only been met with harsh comments and scorn. I think a fairly casual review of Placentica's posts on this forum would show him as anything but gracious towards us, but rather a mixture of avoidant and sarcastic (his posts on this thread were quite sarcastic, for the reasons others have stated). Although perhaps it is easier to see for me, because it's the same general tone he's taken on our forums and in private conversations. Edited February 23, 2016 by Manthrax 1 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I wouldn't try to explain it to SRD. His job is to make Alpha look good since they have a new relationship. This is probably unfair. SRD will trash talk anyone. I assume he's just not particularly familiar with the history and is drawing his conclusions without a hint of subtext. Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaaaddd22 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 ITT: SRD tries to out-shitpost captain vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 ITT: SRD tries to out-shitpost captain vietnam. He is trying to spin what has turned out to be an absolute FP and RP disaster for Alpha. He doesn't have much to work with so it was a good attempt at spin given the circumstances. It remains honorable that SRD continues to try to support his allies, new and old, that are flubbing up military and diplomatic matters. I would recommend to him that he and VE seek a new path though or he will continue to have these challenges. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Arguing in this thread: Side A: POINT A!! Side B: Okay, rebuttal A Side A: BUT BUT BUT POINT A!!!! Sid B: sigh, rebuttal B plus C for shits and giggles Side A: BUT! NO! POINT A FOR SRSNESS!!! I understand that there are two sides to this but if you're gonna grave dig can you at least bring a point to the table that has not already been addressed by t$? Like at least come up with a rebuttal to our rebuttal, that is how constructive debate happens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Arguing in this thread: Side A: POINT A!! Side B: Okay, rebuttal A Side A: BUT BUT BUT POINT A!!!! Sid B: sigh, rebuttal B plus C for shits and giggles Side A: BUT! NO! POINT A FOR SRSNESS!!! I understand that there are two sides to this but if you're gonna grave dig can you at least bring a point to the table that has not already been addressed by t$? Like at least come up with a rebuttal to our rebuttal, that is how constructive debate happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Thrax Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y People answered your question about the time stamps, btw. 1 Quote Slaughter the shits of the world. They poison the air you breathe. ~ William S. Burroughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 It's kind of a shame Steve has only posted twice (or maybe three times) in this thread and not since page 4. Instead is leaving people who seemingly don't have the whole story to speak in his stead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 It's kind of a shame Steve has only posted twice (or maybe three times) in this thread and not since page 4. Instead is leaving people who seemingly don't have the whole story to speak in his stead. Don't worry, SRD got it covered for him. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Well, this thread isn't about a debate right? This is about tS terminating the contract. The reason why tS terminated the contract doesn't really matter at this point, it's not like tS or Alpha are going to pursue any treaties with each other anytime soon. Maybe the reason why Steve hasn't posted since page 4 is because your 8 pages of butthurt is really irrelevant right now. 3 Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Well, this thread isn't about a debate right? This is about tS terminating the contract. The reason why tS terminated the contract doesn't really matter at this point, it's not like tS or Alpha are going to pursue any treaties with each other anytime soon. Maybe the reason why Steve hasn't posted since page 4 is because your 8 pages of butthurt is really irrelevant right now. Kinda true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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