Redael Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 If mega threads are the new thing, I want one Quote Gary Johnson 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This thread just depresses me by reminding me that Rand Paul is out of the presidential race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This thread just depresses me by reminding me that Rand Paul is out of the presidential race. ^ this Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannan13 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 If mega threads are the new thing, I want one That's not how this works. Quote Tiocfaidh ár lá =Censored by Politics and War Moderation team= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Gary Johnson has been traveling the country. Check him out if he pops up in your neck of the woods sometime. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redael Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Gary Johnson has been traveling the country. Check him out if he pops up in your neck of the woods sometime. I know him, he's who i supported Lat year, and I guess this year as well Quote Gary Johnson 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Maybe someone could explain Libertarianism in a way that makes it sound less stale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redael Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Maybe someone could explain Libertarianism in a way that makes it sound less stale. Libertians like me believe in smaller government, more Freedom of the people. Our stances are economically right-wing(low taxes low spending, flat tax rates) with the exception being libertarians want smaller miltary budgets, and socially let-wing(pro gay marriage, pro-weed) with the exception Peking Libertians are anti-gun control. Quote Gary Johnson 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What does smaller government mean in practical terms? For example, the US federal government mandates publicly-funded primary/secondary education and the military but not public health-care. How do libertarians decide where to draw the lines on public spending? "Freedom" is a word that is much bandied around but it's clear that freedom means different things to people depending on their circumstances. How do libertarians rationalize the concepts of freedom in a society that is highly divided socially and economically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redael Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) What does smaller government mean in practical terms? For example, the US federal government mandates publicly-funded primary/secondary education and the military but not public health-care. How do libertarians decide where to draw the lines on public spending? "Freedom" is a word that is much bandied around but it's clear that freedom means different things to people depending on their circumstances. How do libertarians rationalize the concepts of freedom in a society that is highly divided socially and economically? Smaller government-Lassiez-farie Freedom/Liberty-The ability for people to live there lives as they want, as long as they don't commit serious crimes(murder, thievery, rape, etc.) We believe the us government should only fund law enforcement, miltary, and anything the private sector can't provide, basically our best dream is a socailsists worst nightmare, and vice versa. Edited February 14, 2016 by Redael Quote Gary Johnson 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Quill Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 FYI, not all Libertarians are like you, Red. There are so, sooooo many variations of libertarianism. 1 Quote <&Partisan> EAT THE SHIT <blacklabel> lol @ ever caring about how much you matter in some dumbass nation simulation browser game. what a !@#$in pathetic waste of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redael Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 FYI, not all Libertarians are like you, Red. There are so, sooooo many variations of libertarianism. I know, I'm referring to the libertarian parties stances, for example I am pro-life beacuse I believe the right to live is greater than the right to choose Quote Gary Johnson 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Dyson Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) I posted a thread titled Deregulation vs Decentralization: A Libertarian Discussion in case anyone is interested. Edited February 22, 2016 by Miles Dyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 FYI, not all Libertarians are like you, Red. There are so, sooooo many variations of libertarianism. Exactly. Party Libertarians make up only a fraction of libertarians. Most I know are Anarchists and a few are what we call "the hyphenated headache", Anarcho-Syndicalists being the biggest headaches screaming for a co-op to unionize, yet still get taxed for forming one. Go figure. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Dyson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Exactly. Party Libertarians make up only a fraction of libertarians. Most I know are Anarchists and a few are what we call "the hyphenated headache", Anarcho-Syndicalists being the biggest headaches screaming for a co-op to unionize, yet still get taxed for forming one. Go figure. Well, it seems like most so-called "right libertarians" are, in fact, members of the Libertarian Party; seeing as though that is, primarily, where the Americanized libertarianism derives (not including classical liberals). Also, syndicalists don't want to unionize cooperatives, they want to unionize the private sector and build co-ops. Syndicalism is the means to the end that is workplace democracy. Cooperativism and syndicalism are really two different ways to go about the same thing; only some collectivists and communists feel like co-ops are too "middle-class" and don't address the overall problem of capitalism. I tend to disagree with the latter sentiment. Only trade unions, like the AFL-CIO, have mandatory dues. The IWW does not. So, as far as the type of unions that syndicalists promote, they do not "tax" you for organizing. You are, however, encouraged to donate voluntarily. Edited February 23, 2016 by Miles Dyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, it seems like most so-called "right libertarians" are, in fact, members of the Libertarian Party; seeing as though that is, primarily, where the Americanized libertarianism derives (not including classical liberals). Also, syndicalists don't want to unionize cooperatives, they want to unionize the private sector and build co-ops. Syndicalism is the means to the end that is workplace democracy. Cooperativism and syndicalism are really two different ways to go about the same thing; only some collectivists and communists feel like co-ops are too "middle-class" and don't address the overall problem of capitalism. I tend to disagree with the latter sentiment. Only trade unions, like the AFL-CIO, have mandatory dues. The IWW does not. So, as far as the type of unions that syndicalists promote, they do not "tax" you for organizing. You are, however, encouraged to donate voluntarily. I was being a bit facetious/sarcastic but you nicely caught my jist. In Nicaragua however, the Syndicalists there required dues or punishment ensued. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Dyson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I was being a bit facetious/sarcastic but you nicely caught my jist. In Nicaragua however, the Syndicalists there required dues or punishment ensued. Nicaraguan syndicalists? Not really familiar with that. I should have been more specific, I was referring to anarcho-syndicalists; not marxist-leninist or national (fascist) syndicalists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Nicaraguan syndicalists? Not really familiar with that. I should have been more specific, I was referring to anarcho-syndicalists; not marxist-leninist or national (fascist) syndicalists. Oh, they "claim" Anarcho-Syndicalism as their practices. I only know of the issues going on in Nicaragua due to relatives attempting to save their souls in the country and meeting a few of them over the course of my lifetime. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Dyson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Oh, they "claim" Anarcho-Syndicalism as their practices. I only know of the issues going on in Nicaragua due to relatives attempting to save their souls in the country and meeting a few of them over the course of my lifetime. Whose "they"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Whose "they"? The Nicaraguans I have met over the years two of my relatives were active missionaries in Nicaragua. Packaging Coffee and Refining Copper industries were the big issues where the workers were a part of. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Dyson Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 The Nicaraguans I have met over the years two of my relatives were active missionaries in Nicaragua. Packaging Coffee and Refining Copper industries were the big issues where the workers were a part of. So, you're saying they claim to be anarcho-syndicalists, but their actions speak otherwise? They got a union name or something? How do I find out about this movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 So, you're saying they claim to be anarcho-syndicalists, but their actions speak otherwise? They got a union name or something? How do I find out about this movement? I am completely going off of memory, though it was my first experience ever dealing with anyone outside of the normal Party system from the United States typical standpoint. Also, this was back in the late 1980's- early 90's when my Uncle and Sister-in-Law's Grandparents were missionaries to Panama/Central/South America. The main reason I remember these people was because they held an impact on my psyche and I relished in non-Republican/Democratic views on my high school/college mind of the day. Anarcho-Syndicalism was a new word, though the way it was explained to me sounded virtually parallel to a bizarre form of Socialism(at the time it sounded like a Communist ideology in my young mind) so it made an impression on me to continue delving further into new ideologies. Sadly I went back to my Reagan worshiping altar after a while. But no. I do not even know where to look or ask except I only know these men were in copper refining and coffee packaging. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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