Alpha Announcement

[Hooves]

Hey stetonic, remember the time you guys allowed Isolotar into your alliance to ghost against MENSA in the war? Good times, dude, good times.

I thought he ghosted in BoC?

[Spooner]

I thought he ghosted in BoC?

 

Ah, damn. Was it BoC? I don't remember tbh. He always joins whichever alliance is in a war against MENSA. I'm not sure what we've done to earn his eternal hate, but whatever. I'm sure he'll beat us one of these days.

[Wayne]

Iso is cool.

[TellUrGrlThx]

I unlike others don't take screen shots of everything but members of Mensa did ghost across to Guardian and other alliance's in response to a member switching from DEIC to UPN. So iam not saying you or any other player was in the wrong for doing it then nor should any player be held to account for doing it now. Its just part of the game and players have and always will have friends they want to help in other alliance's

 

Mensa didn't need to ghost to hit UPN. As soon as UPN declared on tS last war we told UPN the treaty was over then we waited 72 hours for the treaty to expire at which point we started attacking UPN nations.

 

 

Anyway @everyone blaming Mensa for this war, it must take a lot of thought process to rationalize us as the reason this expanded to a global war when Rose started it very clearly. At no point in time over the last few months did we start anything with Rose. We might have told them no when they asked to roll Arrgh with us but are you guys really that butt hurt over that? I mean our sphere even had tS sign a NAP with Rose around Christmas to show how much we didn't want to start a war. And that NAP served it's purpose of avoiding a war. Mensa did nothing to actually cause Rose to attack us and we did everything we could to stop it. So when this war is over and everyone is burnt to ashes you can blame Rose because we knew this would end with everyone destroyed and we choose to opt out of it.

 

Enjoy your inevitable destruction because even the pirates are going raid crazy wherever they feel like with no regrets.

[Lord Bagel]

Wow looking at the Mensa alliance page i thought your alliance colour was beige due to the amount of your members that are flying that colour at the moment

Wow, looking at your posts I thought you were a moron for to the amount of stupid stuff you post

[Prefonteen]

 

 

What? Are you kidding? Your allies raided my allies friend, and then you attacked my allies and you are claiming this?  I know you have your viewpoint, but thats like the kettle calling the pot black.

 

 

I wish you had said this to me when we were defending "your coalition" against UPN.  I would've promptly peaced out UPN and obliged you (thankfully you are not tS leadership).  You weren't saying these things last war.

 

The truth is it's you are attacking my ally.  Did I say anything publicly about it then on these forums?  You have short memory.  I know you don't speak for tS and I'm grateful for that.  You have a short memory and this only makes you look like an opportunistic person who views allies only in terms of how they help yourself only.

 

Let's look at a few things Placentica. I have already voiced my displeasure with you via private channels but you seem to be upping your efforts on these public forums.

 

1. Our treaty was defacto signed by the time last war occurred. By your own logic you had an 'obligation' (that's the logic you currently apply to rationalize the morality of Rose's hit on Vanguard isn't it?). The treaty's signing dragged because you were hesitant of a) pissing off Rose and giving away a strategic advantage. Remember that? I do. In addition, one of the explicit reasons you stated for your entry on our side was because you had a vested interest in taking down the UPN sphere at the time, as they posed a threat to you and you hated their guts.

 

2. We did thank you for your involvement in last war, and we worked with you. It has however become increasingly apparent that you have firmly chosen Rose's side from the onset of this thing. We have spent hours disagreeing with one another in queries- I understand. You believe Mensa to be the aggressor because of their mass raid on Vanguard, and Rose to be more than in their right to protect them. Therefore, you believe t$' defense of Mensa to be inherently aggressive.

 

Our interpretation differs. We believe Rose to have wanted this war regardless of vanguard's fate, as I have explained on various occasions now. In our view, Mensa's raid on Vanguard was a unfortunate: We don't like it, and Mensa was in the wrong. We have made that more than clear to their leadership. Rose however does not share a treaty with Vanguard. Ergo, no treaty was triggered. Now Rose definitely holds the right to strike mensa in defense of Vanguard, but that does not mean that our treaty with Mensa suddenly becomes invalid and/or optional. Following that logic would silly. This is also why we - though it disappointed us - respected your declaration on Roz Wei. It was a sad truth, and while we disagreed (due to seeing Rose as the aggressor), we understood your rationale, and continued working with you.

 

That is what allies do, work together despite disagreement. We now however see our ally mount a surprise assault on our ally without treaty trigger. Not using a treaty trigger is not the issue to me. What is an issue is that you have criticized me and mine heavily for the use of oA hits throughout this war, yet here I find you do the exact same thing. In doing so, you use some kind of twisted rhetoric about SK having declared on you over the wording of a post in a DoW threat. I'm sure this rhetoric flies in your world. It does not in mine. It is readily apparent for all to see that you have fully joined the other side, and your recent actions have surely invalidated the previous rhetoric on which we based our opinion of your involvement in this war - one which at the time was disappointing but at least consistent -. 

 

Adding salt to the wound, I have kept you up to date throughout and you are aware that solutions were offered to Rose prior to this war escalating. These solutions were rejected without counteroffers provided. One day in the war when it became clear that barring outside intervention, Rose would be destroyed, we again offered Rose a peace favorable to them. They spent the entirety of the first round stalling their reply to that offer, and then used the SK hit on NAC to claim that 'it was out of their hands now'. Can you tell me what this means?

 

I digress. Peace has been on the table. We have worked in good faith. You know this. You have however, determined Mensa to be inherently wrong and therefore anyone on the side of Mensa or t$ is equally wrong. You have cherrypicked your way into the war and struck a heavy blow to The $yndicate. Now you trumpet your moral superiority on the OWF regardless of the aura of hypocricy that you exhibit every time you open your mouth to do so.

 

I'm sure we will have a talk and you will voice your annoyance over me and t$ as a whole. I will let you know that I fully back the dissent my members currently show. t$ is more unified than it has ever been through the denouncement of your actions. So at least you did that for us.

 

Good luck in the war Steve. My query remains open.

 

Still doesn't change the fact that tS declared on Rose. 

 

 

 

Totally agree. Which is why we are doing this? 

 

 

 

Why does it seem so hard for you to understand that we are doing the same thing? Why should Alpha be expected to walk away from Rose? 

 

 

Please view the above.

 

 

https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/9162-alpha-announcement/

 

This will help you refresh your memory. 

 

 

When your sphere needed help most last war, Alpha came in to bat for you. They fought for you and they won for you. Post war they signed with you. Considering they got 2 allies that are getting rolled right now by your allies, you shouldn't be questioning their intentions. If you still believe a treaty with alpha is a waste then convey it to your govt and stop dragging their name through dirt on these forums. 

 

You too would do good to view the above. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by Partisan

[Eumirbago]

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[Abshire]

Partisan, when you claim this DoW is an example of Alpha hypocrisy by exercising an oA, are you forgetting that SK declared war on Fark and that this is a thing? 

[Prefonteen]

Partisan, when you claim this DoW is an example of Alpha hypocrisy by exercising an oA, are you forgetting that SK declared war on Fark and that this is a thing? 

 

It is not the reason given by Alpha for its DoW. Alpha government has been very clear: They believe SK to have declared on them (which is rhetorical bs spin). In addition, Fark did oA into the war. Again- their good right but for all accounts and purposes, your treaty is optional.

 

We were told on several occasions that the entry of t$/SK/Guardian was viewed as 'understandable' (although you did disagree with our viewpoints). We were also told that SK/Guardian/t$ were not going to be countered by Alpha because of this. Yet here we are, for a flimsy excuse. Sure government can retroactively claim that they did this for Fark but the truth is, they didn't.

[Sisyphus]

Partisan, when you claim this DoW is an example of Alpha hypocrisy by exercising an oA, are you forgetting that SK declared war on Fark and that this is a thing?

We can't help it that even Alpha didn't carefully think through their involvement in this war.

 

It's pretty evident at this point that they were chomping at the bit to enter.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

And I told Impero that was all a bluff to see where you guys stood politically. We had a good laugh about it. You simply remained salty about it cus you were the one who I used to make the bluff through as you're hot headed, among other things. As for "looking at guardian as your enemy" we were the established sphere. You were the new one. As both Impero and I said we were slated to fight one another, doesn't mean we couldn't be nice about it. War would have been very unlikely between guardian and ve when Impero and I led. Only would have happened between allies fighting each other. You clearly weren't privy to Impero and my conversations.

 

EDIT: Here's the log snip-it, I know I posted this before so it's not like it was classified.

Guess what, when you bluff to go to war about something like that, even if Impero tells you that you and him are cool, its not something we are going to forget and just let go and act like it never happened.  You turned that relationship from functional working relationship, with an understanding that one day we will probably end up fighting.  To look at Guardian actively threatening to come after us, looks like we have a much more active threat to VE than we thought we did at the time, and now we don't really know where we stand with Pre because he just shot his credibility with us.

 

And you are right, I was not privy to your conversations with him, but i was privy to the VE gov conversations post GPA war, and our attitude toward you guys definitely changed.

[Abshire]

It is not the reason given by Alpha for its DoW. Alpha government has been very clear: They believe SK to have declared on them (which is rhetorical bs spin). In addition, Fark did oA into the war. Again- their good right but for all accounts and purposes, your treaty is optional.

 

We were told on several occasions that the entry of t$/SK/Guardian was viewed as 'understandable' (although you did disagree with our viewpoints). We were also told that SK/Guardian/t$ were not going to be countered by Alpha because of this. Yet here we are, for a flimsy excuse. Sure government can retroactively claim that they did this for Fark but the truth is, they didn't.

If this Alpha DoW had read "Alpha activated the Robot House Accords and declares war on SK in defense of Fark", would you still be complaining about hypocrisy?

 

It's pretty evident at this point that they were chomping at the bit to enter.

You say that like it's a bad thing. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by Abshire

[Magicboyd25]

Oh boy rogues? Those types of people are annoying. Like cmon people the only alliances that should get used in this game for anything are the ones Kastor is in. That's how it works right?

 

jk I just need to take a nap

[PigInZen]

Partisan I <3 u

 

/me shrieks like a teenybopper at a Justin Beiber concert

[Prefonteen]

If this Alpha DoW had read "Alpha activated the Robot House Accords and declares war on SK in defense of Fark", would you still be complaining about hypocrisy?

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Yes, since it 1. Broke alphas word to tS. And 2. Steve has made it a point to give us and ours shit for deen ding our allies in exact same fashion except when an alliance hit our ally without treaty obligation.

[Sisyphus]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, in a vacuum.

 

Throw hypocricy and lies into the pile though? It becomes much less of a good thing.

[Boony]

Lol, I didn't even know we offered Rose peace even after we destroyed them. We are nicer then I thought.

 

And maybe its because I'm biased, but every time Partisan engages people he seems to completely demolish them in terms of logic and evidence.

 

Also, Alpha I'm extremely disappointed in your decision. At this point, I'm not sure what the future of our relationship is, but if you give a shit you should return to our forums and talk to our members directly. Kthx.

[Spooner]

And maybe its because I'm biased, but every time Partisan engages people he seems to completely demolish them in terms of logic and evidence.

 

It's not just you. Over at MENSA he used to infuriate us when we were on opposing sides of a conflict. Partisan has excellent writing; the best in the community that I've seen.

[James II]

Stetonic, no one left ALpha to ghost any alliance, and no one joined Alpha to ghost. We didn't let DEIC ghost UPN, and we aren't letting anyone ghost SK. How has our position changed?

[Beowulf the Second]

I love Partisan effortposts. Joined t$ for the theme, stayed for the gov.

 

Anyways, I'm definitely not happy about this Alpha announcement--obviously they've quite irreversibly broken ties. I'm not involved in gov, but I fully expect a treaty cancellation to come out soon. Good luck to them anyways, but if they get rolled that's fun too

[Placentica]

Sorry, I'm not going to do public FA with my allies here, sorry Partisan.

 

But, I find it enlightening that while Alpha has remained extremely respectful when tS declared war on our MDoAP ally and then had others declare war on our other ODoAP ally, that The Syndicate couldn't remain respectful when we defended ourselves against someone who declared war on "our side".  Or when someone who had no treaty to get involved, declared war on our MDoAP ally. 

 

I don't quite understand why it's okay for you to hit our allies, but we can't defend ourselves against yours?

 

Allies are not opportunities they are supposed to be your friends who at least make an attempt to understand a different perspective.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Placentica