Kevanovia

I would say the comments made by folks in Back Room, Johnsons, Haunted in the OWF and in Discord are an even bigger indication that they are troubled by this move - Mayor added the fact that this is one of the most downvoted threads in the history of Orbis as a cherry on top of the main point that this move isn't just Clock bellyaching.

Yes, I see you downvoted him 3 hours ago…after this new narrative that the downvotes are actually upvotes. I also see you posted 3 hours ago about how downvotes are upvotes…. @Adrienne I get trying to own the downvote thing as a meme and spinning it into a positive to save face, but to double down on it seems a little weak.

It’s not just Clock. It’s Haunted Mansion, it’s Back Room and also Johnsons. IE: the rest of the game. Look at the replies/reactions in the related threads. Right or wrong, it is fairly easy to see that the rest of Orbis (outside of HW/Ro$e) are miffed by this treaty.

I wasn't referring to the talks prior to Surf's Up - I was referring to the discussions that we had starting day 1 of Surf's Up.

Naw fam, those rumors were hot garbo. Yeah, we started talking about hitting BK day 1 of Surf's Up - it was like the first convo in our group chat Good times, good times. To get back to the topic at hand: The point borg is making with the chaining comment is that it has happened before with several wars and folks that are now condemning it - were fine with it. We received the “fake war” BS criticisms that NPO spewed and we (including TKR) defended chaining as just a part of the game and that the criticisms against it were weak (BK and friends complained about it in Dial Up & Rose and friends complained about it in GnR)

We didn't go into it expecting a war. But Day 1 of the war KETOG and Chaos discussed hitting BK (even before the logs dropped), as I put in my post.

I get it was a long time ago, so I don't fault you for not remembering. But a little strong of you to go straight to a "this is not true" We considered hitting them before the logs broke. I can provide screenshots if it's alright with the people that were in the group DM with us. I'll try and help the ol' memory. There was a fear of BK hitting ahead of the log leak - which is why we were a bit miffed when KETOG hit us. The day the war kicked off we all talked about using the war as a potential smokescreen in case those rumors ended up being true, and also discussed the possibility of just hitting them based on what the situation was. (The rumored NPO/BK connection) Granted - now looking back at the logs (you had me second guessing myself lol) - it wasn't set in stone, but there were certainly discussions of all of us hitting BK & friends day 1 of Surf's Up.

It has nothing to do with a “fake war” - but I can tell you that the plan the whole time was to hit BK right after Surf’s Up. Surf’s Up was a way to curb boredom and also show what a minisphere-vs-mini sphere war would look like. That was all real, there is nothing fake about that. With that said - as soon as KETOG hit there was a chat between Chaos and KETOG leadership about smacking BK & friends - even without the logs (NPO came in later) The point borg is making with the chaining comment is that it has happened before with several wars and folks that are now condemning it - were fine with it. We received the “fake war” BS criticisms that NPO spewed and we (including TKR) defended chaining as just a part of the game and that the criticisms against it were weak (BK and friends complained about it in Dial Up & Rose and friends complained about it in GnR).

I want to make sure I understand, since I am but a lowly Johnson. I thought you previously claimed that the formation of Celestial was to counter the GG high-tier stranglehold - but this whole time it was Clock who convinced t$'s allies to dip?

From reading the OP, it appears that Keegoz is calling out the hypocrisy of the people now decrying chaining wars (and using said outcry to justify this bloc-to-bloc MDP) when they were the ones who called for it in earlier wars.

Best of luck to whatever adventure awaits you outside of Orbis

I like this Clock. It is a Johnsons worthy Clock

I have always believed. <insert VGM ad here>

Mr. Newman put his lawn clippings in my backyard

It appears that The Johnsons is the only bloc left with honor. Truly a shining example of what a hegemony should be. #JohnsonsAreRising

He had the quoted message in the message you just responded to for your convenience. But as you are busy and are unable to read the full posts you are replying to, I will post the question again: I've asked this question in several settings and have yet to receive an answer. It appears that everyone seems to be busy at the same time when this question comes up. Hopefully you can get some free time to read folks' complaints/thoughts on your recent move. With the additional context - perhaps your (and your kin's) rhetoric trying to justify said move will be able to address the concerns directly going forward.

The problem with your 'stat padding' rhetoric, is that Clock is one of the most vocal critics of stats meaning much. They argue against looking at stats defining wars. So your argument falls on deaf ears when you claim the reason for any of their moves is 'stat padding'.

There are several differences, but I will go over a very large one: Quack had criticisms rooted in objective fact- they were the largest bloc in the game and were unable to be beaten by a single sphere. They were also openly hostile to Hedge Money, which led to teaming with Oasis to prevent an attack whilst trying to pressure Quack to break into smaller spheres. Meanwhile in this situation- easily the two largest spheres (to the point where it would no longer be a contest to do a 1v1 against them with any other sphere) decide to sign a MDP to prevent a war torn (not to mention, a far smaller) bloc from hitting them.

So every time Clock does a war and they don’t declare on you, then that gives you a pass to do a “temporary bloc-to-bloc MDP”?

^This is a non-answer. You didn't dispute the point made, which is that this sets a precedent of doing these "temporary" MDPs going forward. The same such agreement that all of Orbis (your bloc included) was against when MINC and Oasis did it. Side note: It is quite refreshing to be having actual debate on the forums again. 🍻

This does set a bad precedent. Your argument is "well..it's not bad if there is nothing to worry about" - then why not do it every war? Then it effectively becomes acceptable for blocs to have MDP's with one another going forward in every single war when they aren't the first ones attacked.

All this was is an attempt for Back Room and Clock to come together on how terrible of a move this was to end the war more quickly. I see you @BigMorf @Agent W y’all playing 5D chess

Surely there was a better way to handle the situation you were in.