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    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

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    if that's the case on how you feel why did the actual government (who actually follows the charter) have to leave instead of the one who disagrees. It's morally wrong and I think you know it deep down.

     

    I would argue it's more a technicality than a morality issue. It's no secret VE has had an issue with activity and I assume to get something like impeachment done it requires a good amount of active members and gov to pass. I'll need to go check but I feel it's a safe assumption to say that it is percentage based in terms of what is required with the votes. It is possible Olorin could not get enough votes, but could still have a good chunk of the active people just based off of the requirements to take someone out of office. Does this make him a bad person? No. 

     

    Deep down I know that I think he should have just left and taken those he had supporting him with him, for the sake of not breaking the charter and for a few other reasons. However, I won't question morality over a charter that likely was written at (and for) a much different time for the alliance than right now. 

    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

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    You know,  I'm all for leadership change as long as it's done according to what is laid out in an alliance's charter.  That is not what happened in VE's case.  Thus for whatever it is worth as far as I'm concerned the people who took part in the "coup" are not the true leaders of the alliance.

    That's fair, in all honesty a more appropriate motion would have been to just leave and take the people who disagreed along so as to not break charter policy. However, I still think that people are treating the situation much worse than it should be. 

    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

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    All you're doing is showcasing that you have absolutely no understanding of anything that's going on at all. I'll give you the same advice I gave James earlier today. You don't know wtf you're talking about, so you should just stfu. Hopefully you take it and avoid making yourself look like an even bigger fool as James has done.

     

    Okay Mr. Straw Man excellent debate we've had here. 

    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

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    That's almost like saying "If you weren't so attractive, you wouldn't have been raped in the first place." To a rape victim. What a pathetic argument.

    It's actually nothing like that at all.

     

    1. He chose to lead, ran in an election, whatever it was. And won. Putting himself in the situation. 

    2. He interacts with the people who coup him, and his actions directly influence their opinion of him. 

    3. If you have had anyone in your life that has been raped you would realize how terribly offensive it is that you resort to that as a counter for a point about leading an alliance in a nation sim. 

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    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Alkaline

    People are entitled to their views, even if they are ignorant ones.  

     

    I mean if you want my real view all you had to do what ask :v

     

    If you were a satisfactory leader you wouldn't have been coup'd in the first place. It obviously is something that shows you need to work on your methods and character flaws. "It's just one guy" isn't really true, when you look and see there are people in VE who have been active online yet haven't moved with you to tVE. That means there was a divide within the alliance you were supposed to keep unified. 

     

    I do feel bad for you in regards of how shitty this entire situation with Alex reassigning gov was and it's timing heavily influencing the way things went for you. However, things of this fashion aren't often done in a day - they take planning. If the situation with the admin didn't happen you still would have been hit with a curveball sooner or later. 

    Security. Stability. Safety.

    in Alliance Affairs

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    Coups are generally looked down upon by everyone, as I stated in the OP.

     

    The ends justify the means, if it's a leader than is truly making decisions that aren't even necessarily bad - but not supported by the one's they are leading, then yes a coup is necessary. Now I don't know Seeker well personally, but based on some of the things I have heard it was only a matter of time before someone was going to do something to act out against him. 

    CKD likes DP

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted · Edited by Alkaline

    Really, I think this outlines the hard divide between members who think it's "the VE" and members who think it's just "VE". I've been expecting this split for years. Point being, we're not focusing on the most important driving factors, here.

     

    Let's just give them codenames. Let's call Viridian Entente "Sean", and The Viridian Entente "Shawn". 

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    State of The Viridian Entente

    in Alliance Affairs

    Posted

    In my personal opinion I think VE has shown that they need to work some on communication and organizational issues. Granted, I have only been playing this game for a little while I still think it is a fair assumption to make. This reminds me of the disagreement in the mid 20th century about politics, we have Olorin in the east and seeker in the west. This is the start of what VE will later call the internal cold war. 

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    Rose Gaming

    in General Discussion

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    I was recently resurrected back to this game to try and expand Rose beyond just politics and war, we are looking at getting out to Dota 2, Rust, Rocket League, Civ VI, EU IV, Crusader Kings II, and Hearts of Iron IV. 

     

    We welcome all of you to come take part and play with us. You can find them under the gaming board on http://rose-pnw.enjin.com/forum

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