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Sir, this is a text based browser game

>BK accusing others of hiding behind NPO

For those who wonder "Why do people reference the NPO from C N? Shouldn't that not matter in PnW?" I'd like to point out the title of this treaty is a direct reference to the treaty GOONS and NPO had in C N. Specifically it is a reference to the peak of NPOs hegemony where they would go so far as to install Viceroys in opposing alliances. The image of a boot stomping on an enemy is also from that era. Combine that with the ODN and Polaris ties which were both directly lifted from C N to PnW and then combine that with the consistent influx of C N recruits they bring you can probably start to see the problem. With that said there are plenty of problems with NPO's actions just in PnW that could be focused on but this is still something worth pointing out

I posted this months ago but it's even more relevant now

Alright so a few things here. 1. The conditions were not known. I'm not sure what kind of spin this is but after Kayer left not even your own allies knew about the agreement you had to protect BK 2. You mention BK has "attracted a lot of heat". But you didn't want to "throw them to the wolves". So let's think about the situation your agreement put the rest of the game in: Assuming BKsphere/N$O are two different spheres that means BK is by far the biggest BKsphere was continuing to expand the size of their sphere Logs were revealed that BK was planning to dogpile a much smaller sphere to "contain" them No single sphere would be able to stand against BK on their own (except maybe N$O who refuses to fight them). This means that the rest of the game has the option to either unite against their aggression or let them pick us off one by one. Of course if we unite then you join in to help them because you don't want to "throw them to the wolves". What is the rest of the game supposed to do?

It's not. I am talking from a completely OOC/Meta perspective. You'll noticed both of example I gave actually hurt TKR directly and I did that intentionally. The point I am trying to make is that leadership changes often result in political change even if I disagree with what that political change is and even if it hurts TKR. But when the same leaders are bringing up the same 3 year old grudges it makes it difficult for change to happen.

This is really indicative of one of the main problems with the game. If you look at basically ever major alliance in the game you will see consistent leadership changes (Rose, tS, BK, etc) that often bring political change with them (partisan bringing tS into knightfall, Curu helping form IQ etc). How can anybody expect the political meta of this game to change when the largest alliance in this game has had the same leader forever, continually brings up grudges from 3 years ago and continually attacks the same alliances?

"You did something a year ago we said is bad so now we are going to do the exact same thing." ??????????? You realize you are dogpiling people besides us right? Like I get your obsession with whataboutism and I get your all-consuming hatred of TKR but this war is not just about us. You are not just dogpiling us and you are not just threatening to run just us out of the game. Ironically you are actually dogpiling some of the same people you are referring to. Also good lord. Are you still referring to grudges from 3 years ago?

You have spent almost half of the last 12 months dogpiling your opponents. Stop acting like the victim because people are unhappy about this.

"Your desperate attempts before and after to keep getting us on gotchas just validate our perceptions of you and your alliance" This is the second time you have dogpiled us in a row so I don't think anybody is concerned about what you think of us. You clearly are going to keep using us and Grumpy as a scapegoat to justify your continued expansionism. Furthermore, you realize the NPO/DB relationship is not the only one that ever reached a breaking point right? Typically that does not end with one party colluding to get them rolled while they were still allied.

So what is your war goal?

It is not "courageous" to dogpile the same alliances over and over again. It is not courageous to to say you have a rock-solid CB, accuse the other side of lying and then provide no proof. It is not courageous to set your ally up to be rolled. It is certainly not courageous to do all this and then brag about how brave you are.

"Yes we helped get our ally rolled but people were making fun of us for protecting them earlier."

I don't want to distract from whats going on here too much but it makes me smile that you refer to them as IQ too

So to clarify, NPO did not know about you hitting them once the treaty lapsed and we will not find out later that they did?

What does "next to no" mean in this context?

So DB's protectorate with NPO was downgraded just as this was happening. So NPO must have known about this? Which would mean they were planning the rolling of their ally while still allied to them.

Singling out specific posts to justify this as a "death match" is pretty blatant spin. Our side was never in a position to make this a "death match" because it is another dogpile perpetuated by your sphere. Also it's not a "gotcha" post when I am asking somebody to clarify their position. We have to do that because you never actually do, instead you rely on secret CBs and secret protectorate agreements that are so confusing that not even your allies understand what you are doing.

Wait are you saying that is what you are doing?

See the thing is, we ARE getting tons of engagement from your side, but you are very selective on what you reply to. You certainly have no problem calling Adrienne a liar nonstop for months without providing any proof. Your side also has no problem arguing other topics as seen throughout this and other threads. The only thing you can't seem to address is rebuttals to your CB for yet another dogpile. You say this is because people are calling you are liar so we should not expect “engagement” from you despite your CB and narrative being predicated on us being liars. Even when we provide logs that we think might be what you are referring to, we still can't get a straight answer out of you. What people are asking here is very simple. You started another dogpile with the claim you have logs that shows Adrienne was lying and planning to hit you. So please back up your claims since you apparently dislike baseless accusations of lying.

Yes I wonder what goals NPO/BK could be trying to achieve by dogpiling their opponents for months at a time in every war

Pointing out your dishonesty is not "toxicity". Though I'm sure that will be a common CB for your hegemony going forward. It's much better than the secret agreements and made up logs you used for this war. Instead of responding to memes you don't like why not actually address what Adrienne said earlier and that you and Roq ignored. You seem to have a habit of focusing on nonsense and ignoring actual rebuttals to your claims: "I’ve been told your “source” is WSxPhoenix and that I told her I had plans to roll you after this war ended. If this is indeed your source, this is a blatant falsehood but I shouldn’t be surprised considering I’ve been shown logs of you delivering more detailed falsehoods about me with even less factual basis. For the record, this is the only conversation I’ve had with her regarding the war and your sphere. We talked a little more about BK and the leaks afterwards but I’m fairly certain nothing in this conversation was deleted as you claim. WSxPhoenix06/17/2019 Speaking of sharing Aren't you concerned you guys might get hit by NPO/t$? Adrienne06/17/2019 If we do, at least we've gone out in a blaze of glory The amount of f*cks I have to give are astonishingly low"

So to be clear, you got a $2B loan from Sphinx but most of the rest of the money came from getting consistently lucky at keno?

Not ignoring anything. His nation also makes me raise my eyebrow honestly. However this is your thread and just because somebody else has had insane growth doesn't change your situation. Instead of deflecting why can't you just say where this money is coming from?

So where exactly does a 652 old nation get the billions needed to buy 5 cities during a war? You also have 5k land in each city which alone is over $2 billion. This is an insane amount of money and far more than you would have by traditional means. Unless I am mistaken it also appears you have been using the Yakuza bank to send money to people on your network that are not verified: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=110868&display=bank