And yet their alliance is essentially gone...over getting rolled? Haha tell that too the roman empire they should have never given up even at the worst of times. In that situation its kinda compare able to ww2. Germany didnt give up so why should TEst? I actually liked some of the alliance aspects but when you dont follow your own sayings you might as well be called a fool. Face it Bezzers their alliance was a joke and you of all people should know that when you throw some shit at someone you have to expect it too come back at you.