Caillou

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My claim was that Mensa attacked several of Rose's allies, it was 2 protectorates and Vanguard iirc. I'm sure your insider can also tell you we have been exchanging funds with at least another 5-10 alliances. I don't need to spin anything to make Mensa look like !@#$, you guys do a good enough job yourselves. If you didn't there wouldn't be so many people putting effort into this war for the sole reason of seeing you guys fall.

I edited my previous post in reply to you to avoid a double post. I do think this is a bit irrelevant to UPN and this war now that we have brought back the awful memories of mine and Strum's breakup. You don't feel it is the same, I do agree to disagree I guess. But I do feel that we are just beating a dead horse at this point if we are talking strictly the Rose and BK situations and opinions of that war.

Well we had talked about it to you prior to it happening, and you told us you were going to stay neutral. EDIT: This is beginning to become irrelevant to the thread, but the point it that the comparison of that war and this one aren't all that different. Rose was attacking in response to Mensa (surprise surprise) attacking several of our allies. Not you specifically but your sphere gives us shit for not helping them faster, and now you seem to be grieved that we entered at all. Also that was when Pfeiffer had admitted to trying to force Rose's hand because he was pissed off about an OOC attack done on him by a player who no longer plays but was in Rose. Upon this several people from you sphere had apologized to me because they were not given the full story from Mensa and even admitted to helping plan the forced hand Rose was given that war. TL;DR - You hit an ally of their ally in the past, they are doing it now. Exact situation is different but the principle of it is pretty much the same.

If we left our allies on thin lines would we have waited a day so our allies could make a plan while we were beat on by 7 alliances? Would we have been so okay with taking the short end of the stick this war for the greater good? It's awfully funny you seem to be preaching loyalty when BK in previous world wars was notorious for switching to the winning side at the cost of burning bridges with allies.

Your ally attacked theirs, it's the same principle. Not worth trying to rationalize with a Mensa circle jerk. As you should know by now, given this entire debacle. Just be careful, your puppets are starting to break dem strings.

You could have just had your entire sphere declare on rose from the sta - oh wait.

It is MnDoAP for a reason. Also, did you not attack BoC in the last war?

o/ UPN

I saw "Rosebowl" posted in another thread and thought that one was quite catchy

You guys did say you were charming /:)

I <3 u booty

Welcome friends, let's have some fun.

If that was what you meant then say it as such. I'm jumping on it because he is a young member of the alliance I lead and being talked down to by the people attacking us, and in regards to "grievances against t$" I just explicitly said I have no problem with t$. That query was a bit late considering it was the day we were going to be attacking, but also after you had rejected us from an NAP renewal we requested about two weeks ago, in addition to all of that the conflict between Mensa and Vanguard was not even close to being resolved. Remind me how long ago that was? I don't recall having a private discussion with you even one time in at least the last couple of months. If my issue was with tS I would have hit them, this entire war is a result of Mensa's shenanigans. I'm sure you weren't told that we requested a renewal on that NAP we had about two weeks ago. Or that we were actually the one's who suggested it for the first time. Or that Abbas gave Tim a heads up of rogues hitting one of your allies.

This actually has nothing to do with tS, I don't have a problem with tS. I have a problem with Mensa, you just decided to also make it yours.

You sound similar to the people that were telling you a message quite similar to this at the start of Oktoberfest.

No ragrets Valakias :3

"Doing dishonorable things is okay because we would still know anyways"

Are you suggesting that being told of an attack by a specific person has no impact on how well someone can plan for it? Yeah intel is absolutely worthless, tell me more about how great and amazing you are. Partisan, we have had this back and forth for a very long time now and once again you just approach this situation with a dogmatic attitude. You're being blinded by this bandwagon of joy because you can form a dogpile. I haven't heard anything about tS to be honest with you Roy, all of the hinting towards insiders was meant to be sent more of Mensa's direction - I'm sure they already knew that though.

You sure are quick to start up a circle jerk after a day of winning a war consisting of TKP, TKR, tS, Mensa, Roz Wei, tC, Guardian vs. Rose.

I'm sure none of this had anything to do with your guy relaying intel to you from the paragon gov chan during the last war we had, or people that have been planted on the inside leaking intel to you and Mensa.

Best of luck Guardian, I am excited for this all to go down. o/ Memph

~Something Latin~ There have been clear tensions between Rose and Mensa HQ for a long time now, arguably the most potent rivalry in Orbis thus far. They recently attacked our friends in Vanguard, who admittedly are paperless, but, it was common knowledge that Rose and Vanguard held each other in high regards. Last summer Vanguard was made victim to a proxy war against Rose executed by Mensa, this is the event that led Vanguard to the paperless path. All of this has led up to quite the escalation of conflict between the two alliances. Mensa has made smaller, and younger alliances that aren’t in it’s respective sphere their prey; Taking all that they can from them and leaving them to die. This is no way to operate as a respectable alliance, and this must come to an end. Rose hereby declares war on Mensa HQ in defense of Vanguard Emperor - Caillou Lord of Foreign Affairs - Abbas Mehdi Lord of Internal Affairs - Adama Lord of Economics - Oblige Lord of War - Krillian Kimmy - Kimmy P.S. We Decided #FeelTheBern

Where da alliance fanboys at?

This was all a clever facade to please me Pre, you aren't fooling anyone ;0 /me says he lives off of being roasted *Pre roasts Caillou"

TAC is basically what became Rose. Also that screenshot could not have been during Alpha because we didn't change our name from The Corn Shuckers to The Atlas Confederacy until speedround.