Danger

Cheers amigos!

Henry primarily crafted the post and asked me to go through and add my own things to it. I apologize for any descrepancies there. The ploy in question was actually proposed to us by government members of the alliance in question and we agreed it was simply a discussion point.

Nos hic adsumus tantum ut fortitudo quasi nostra membrum infirmissimus Titan is a new alliance, we're young, and have expressed interest in the world of Orbis. Cobalt, in the beginning was a huge help to Titan. Offering ideas and suggestions. Soon after, Cobalt started to turn around, we saw a huge shift in the way they regarded us. It seems like Grealind only wants war with Titan. I talked to RobAploan about leaving, RobAploan went and said that I could leave, and not pay anything. Simply as a point of reference, here is a discussion I had with Grealind last night. http://pastebin.com/x3A0ggmG The main fact of this is that Grealind is a bully. He thinks he can pressure other governments, make them make rushed, uncalculated decisions. Quote 8:55 PM <Henry> Look, I'm not going to sign onto a massive amount without talking it over with Finance and Aristocrat. 8:55 PM <Henry> So I'll agree to 11 mil this weekend 8:55 PM <Henry> and get back to you on the rest tomorrow 8:55 PM <Grealind> Discuss it with them tonight. 8:55 PM <Grealind> I will be on and off all evening. 8:55 PM <Henry> I can't 8:56 PM <Henry> They're both gone for the night, one lives in Europe and one is on the road 8:56 PM <Grealind> Then it's on you to resolve this. 8:56 PM <Henry> I'm not sure why we can't wait until tomorrow to finish this. You're not giving me a chance to talk to my gov. 8:57 PM <Henry> I agreed to the first amount. 8:57 PM <Grealind> Henry, if I don't have an answer tonight, then first thing tomorrow morning, Betulius is drawing up raiding targets. Are we not awarded a chance to talk to our government? Not before signing off on a massive amount of money? Look here, anytime we disagreed he threatened war again. Quote 8:58 PM <Grealind> I'm not threatening, so please don't take it as such. 8:58 PM <Henry> You are threatening 8:58 PM <Henry> You should at least allow me 24 hours to discuss it with my gov 8:59 PM <Grealind> I do not want this to escalate. 8:59 PM <Henry> Thats VERY reasonable 8:59 PM <Grealind> I want this resolved. Quote 9:04 PM <Henry> I can guarantee you that the Titan gov will sit down tomorrow and get you an answer back by then. 9:05 PM <Henry> If you disagree, it means you just want war. 9:05 PM <Henry> Not the money 9:05 PM <Grealind> No it doesn't. 9:05 PM <Henry> Show some respect to me and I'll show the same to you. 9:05 PM <Grealind> It means I was overruled. You were overruled? So what you're saying is you can't control your members, this seems like a internal problem you need to control. When Grealind finally agreed to give us 24 hours, there was a catch. Quote 9:11 PM <Henry> I deserve the right to talk to my government. 9:11 PM <Grealind> Reroll all you want, your past will stick with you. 9:11 PM <Henry> its a simply thing 9:11 PM <Henry> simple* 9:11 PM <Grealind> Fine 9:11 PM <Grealind> Talk to your gov 9:12 PM <Henry> Thank you, you'll have the answer in 24 hours 9:12 PM <Henry> By 10 PM EST 9:12 PM <Grealind> By 9am Eastern Time, I'll have a first round of targets to approve 9:12 PM <Grealind> By 12 noon, a vote will go up 9:12 PM <Grealind> And by 5 pm, I expect that most of my members will have voted 9:13 PM <Grealind> By 9pm, the first round of declarations will go out. 9:13 PM <Henry> the day after, correct? 9:13 PM <Grealind> No. 9:13 PM <Grealind> 9am June 15th 9:13 PM <Grealind> You can have your 24 hours 9:14 PM <Grealind> I'm just telling you what will happen during those 24 hours. 9:21 PM <Grealind> So, where do we go from here? You simply wanted war Grealind. You try to show you're working with us...but you actually turn around and try to turn words and screw with young alliances, you've done it before and again. You keep doing it, and others keep protecting you. Its wrong. Its pathetic. Quote 10:03 PM <Henry[away]> You'll have all the money by July 6th 10:03 PM <Grealind> Very well. I told you none was poached from your alliance. I didn't poach Ansom he literally left because of the abuse you gave him. I didn't poach anyone from GPA either. You're making stuff up to paint Titan, in a bad light. You've repeatedly disrespected us during the talks. Quote 10:17 PM <Grealind> I cant believe you're just this stupid though. 10:17 PM <Grealind> You are a micro. 10:17 PM <Henry[away]> So yeah. 8 million on saturday 10:17 PM <Grealind> By any definition. 10:17 PM <Grealind> Micros inherently have a hard time coming up with cash. 10:17 PM <Henry[away]> Top 20 is a micro? :-P 10:18 PM <Grealind> I know this because back before Cobalt was Cobalt, and yes we were #11 and still a micro, money was tricky. 10:18 PM <Grealind> The only way we succeeded was by putting hard timelines into place. Grealind, your government says one thing and you say another. I didn’t take out a single loan. In fact, I spoke with RobApIoan again this morning and he said he'd never heard of the debts thing. The main point is that Anson is a bully who wants someone to pick on. You've picked on Celestial Union, David King, and others. You will not pick on Titan. I ask that all alliances look at Grealind's actions and ask...how long can he go on? How long can he keep manipulating and deceiving? How long will everyone simply stand aside?