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Are we really going to do this?

You're treaty spamming because you're losing and Carthago is probably going to merge into you anyways.

The issue with baseball is this: The punishment for baseball is baseball. It's a pure cow-clicker mechanic that's painful to execute. However, botters in baseball bypass it and completely break the punishment.

And if GPWC and GOONS were willing to accept ban evaders, they could easily have a ban evasion account. My concern is more for Galerion and Birdonwheels, who are probably botting (given evidence), and given that Galerion is a member of your coalition, your side would make a massive shitstorm if we were to remove him.

Since Orwell was a very astute left-center social theorist, it's a compliment to NPO.

@Alex banning players over baseball is extreme, even if botted baseball is similar to what pooball did. It might be better simply to: -1 Ban the player from using Baseball for 18 months -2 Fine the player a quantity equivalent to their baseball earnings + administrative fee -3 If they cannot pay the fine, remove cities until the fine is paid or delete their nation.

TCW and KT are hitting TFed. Arrgh seems to have developed a fixation for hitting TFed as of late.

Hey what happened to KERCHTOG$ being nice to their surrendering ex-allies?

As predicted! But not biting bait anymore.

Pooball reported the bug as a general timing attack, not one that could be utilized for infinite resources. I was there in NR when it happened. I think NR was desperate enough because he thought (and I had informed him to the effect) that we were running alliance killers on his protectorate. So he resorted to resource spawning to stay alive. That probably wouldn't have been caught if Pooball had the sense not to do it on such a massive scale; he reached 200 billion in terms of the RSS generated (and likely 400 billion at wartime prices). But, he kept going, and going, and going, and going, and here we are. I'm generally satisfied with the resolution, I'm not sure if piss face is. Does this thread still need to be open?

Thanks!

https://politicsandwar.com/nation/war/timeline/war=591039 Thanks Alex!

Moderation as a weapon only exists as rules-related blackmail.

I'm putting it up probably precisely because I know this'll turn into a trainwreck, but... Thanks, Alex, for adding a verification to the Wars page to block automatic war scripts.

@Alex The only loose end seems to be that piss face is listed as having 4 credits spent (account cap). It's probably just cosmetic because I doubt he'll find another use for the credits before he comes out of VM, which will be after the credit reset.

I'll point out that it has been established policy for Alex to return 80% of the bank in the event of a bank theft. What makes your case unusual is that you, well, we, made an active effort to destroy the bank before Alex could return it. Alex's response was just to force move the bank and send you into negative resources. I suppose we COULD attempt arguments that the bank shouldn't be returned, but that's against precedent. What's in question is what happens with the credits and what happens with your cities. Alex seems inclined to just refund the credits, whereas I'd argue that the cities were no longer part of the bank once the bank was returned. To avoid drama with Weebunism complaining, it might simply be better to let you keep the cities instead, but that seems to be more than what Alex wants to allow. === We also need to ask from Alex, was a bug exploited? Should piss face have been allowed to purchase cities while in beige? If he isn't, then you have a good point, but if he is allowed to purchase cities while VMed, he should be allowed to keep the cities.

NPO doesn't do even 2250 infra, it just sticks to 2000 infra. You forget that many nations on your side not only typically do 4k infra in peacetime, but also have copious reserves of land which creates plenty of food production. Moreover, you're mistaking centralization (NPO is a large alliance) for actual economic production. Lump together a bunch of nominally independent but ideologically aligned alliances that nominally have lower city count, and you're looking at greater city counts without even having to consider economic output. Then consider that partial mlitarization means that while infra meets exponential decreases in cost effectiveness, infra also results in considerable increases as the number of improvement slots that are eaten by "anti-raid" improvements (military improvements) decreases as a percentage of total improvements and that the interaction between population and improvements is a stacking multplier (infra * commerce * health).

Quite a few debts your side defaulted on and is refusing to pay. Daily reminder that T$'s generative capacity is roughly in the realm of 1 billion per day. TKR is probably in the same tier, same with GoB. TCW, on the other hand, has this totally beautiful 5% tax rate.

He is in VM after all, isn't he? If you want him to come and post here, I can ask him to come. I also wish to highlight that he broke the rules not by stealing the Weebunism bank, but by going into VM after doing it, and that's not an explicit rule but the current rules interpretation. Bank theft, while highly frowned upon and disliked, is not forbidden by the game rules or the T&C. And let us say, for instance, he bought the cities while outside of VM. Would the cities still be returned? Or, if he had correctly executed his bank heist and moved the bank into a dummy AA, then cleared out the bank by moving the dummy AA bank into a third alliance before hitting VM, you wouldn't have either deleted the cities or returned the bank. I also wish to note that he could have achieved the stated request of "removing Weebunism's bank from the game" if he had deleted his nation after the theft, as deleting a nation is also something that can be done in VM. But of course, I don't control piss face and I only tried helping him after we discovered that he had fled with the bank. I also contacted Weebunism afterwards to see if they wanted peace. It's not petty larceny in this case, but a political move. === I do understand that every moderation action is a potential headache given the highly polarized state of this game. Whatever happens, one lynch mob or another will begin baying to the moon. I understand that refunding the credits is the path of least resistance, of course, but it might be at least reasonable to allow him to keep the cities he bought in VM, unless this is judged to be a bug.

bump

Tyrion, you're the newest member of the Adrienne Nizam Suicide Cult. Enjoy being used. Regards, A member of the Antoine Roquentin Suicide Cult.

I've been getting phantom attacks wherein I attack someone but the attacks aren't calculated. It's way better than the attacks being calculated.

Piss Face spent 4 credits to enable him to buy 2 cities with Weebunism's stolen bank. These should be refunded. I want to point out that Piss Face's buying of cities was 100% legal as it was permitted by the game mechanics. That he lost his 2 additional cities is somewhat unfair. Moreover, he spent credits to permit the purchase of the second city. Either patch city buying (and other purchases while in VM) and refund credits or restore the cities.

Reported around Wednesday Thursday update. Probably used contemporaneously with Nokia's discovery and piggy-backing off that.

Except: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/virginia/vaedce/3:2016cv00853/353101/25/ (a civil case ruling that the action of a former employee remotely accessing the server is criminal). I'll see what BK proper has to retort to this, if they choose to.