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  1. 9 hours ago, Dr James Wilson said:

    It literally does not matter when the people in charge masked him themselves.  Any right to privacy you have (which really doesn't exist here, on the internet) is waived the moment you give someone access.   He even said how easy it was for him to gain access to the relevant discords and take the screenshots himself.

     

    What part of this are you not 

    Whatever.. here ur talking bout honesty and stuff but yet it is okay to disguise oneself and just invade the privacy of anyone. 

  2. 22 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

    If your leaders mask them with permissions to access the server, then yeah, I'd say they do.  Which they did, and so he did.  Happy to answer your "just a question."

    Well funny thing is you urself I think or someone else had said they didnt know whom he was .... but my question was not if he did or didnt but if they had the right too ... and it dont matter whom it is but regardless entering into a private domain and then copying stuff with a false identity then making it public is ? 

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  3. 29 minutes ago, Alex said:

    This isn't the whole log. Here it is, for full transparency and context:

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    It's clear that this log that's been trotted out by NPO over and over again was cropped to make it look better for them. This conversation opened with "I have an interesting question about fairness philosophy, so I'll use an extreme example"

    And following up with "What would your gut reaction be?"

    I agree with others in this thread who have stated I should have been more careful with my words. However, given the context, I don't think my answer was inappropriate. Had I known what was going on at the time, I would have implemented a change like I did when I found out, kicking inactive nations to Gray much sooner than 14 days to solve the problem mechanically. Finding out what was going on months later and having to compiling evidence, ban players, and create such a mess was never the solution I had desired.

    The fact of the matter is that I did not understand what was going on. I just knew that the players weren't bots; they were real accounts run by real people. I didn't know what manhwa was, and I never dreamed that such a scheme could or would be implemented, especially to such a degree. And, as I pointed out in my report, the reason for that is because the GPWC members were actively discouraged from participating in the usual communication channels of the game and were told to keep the manhwa stuff secret.

    @HeroofTime55's response sums up my opinion on this pretty well:

    My interpretation and enforcement of the rules is that things that exist for the purpose of the game (game-related Discord bot, alliance flag, nation flag, custom graphics for the game, etc.) are okay to trade for in-game money.

    Aside from the bot then .. does any member of ur mod team have the right to go into private owned channels or forums were they are members only access ?  Only a question and not a accusation ? 

  4. 35 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

    The only wrong was committed by NPO.  Alex did not hack his way into discord servers, he was welcomed in, just that you didn't know who he was when you welcomed him in.

    This is the most laughable and pathetic excuse from NPO yet.  This isn't a US court, the notion of "tainted evidence" does not apply here, and this wouldn't even be "tainted evidence" in a US court, as the discord was essentially public, NPO provided no notice that Alex wasn't welcome, and Alex was under no obligation to identify himself.

    Hmmm.   "Didnt know who he was"  ... public is a open channel... private is a channel that u need to be invite amd allowed in.  Seems to me u know of alot of deception  that occured 

  5. 2 minutes ago, Shiho Nishizumi said:

    It doesn't, because the two are separate matters.

    The scanlations were provided in exchange of having the farms generate the revenue for them. That violation took place independently from the way in which the information was gathered.

    You're trying to muddy up the waters because your other defenses/excuses keep falling flat.

    So two wrongs make a right ? 

  6. One question... does alex or pnw own discord. As far as I know whomever owns the channel is that and discord is a separate entity which is chosen by people to do their communications.  Unless stated public I beleive private channels are just that. If one enters that private channel and copies anything they are actually invading privacy is my thought if not given permission by the channel owner would I beleive be the rule of thumb.

  7. 25 minutes ago, Leftbehind said:

    I'd really hate to see NPO disband because they bring so much to this community but my friend you have such a steep slope to climb that I do not envy you. Like it or not but people will not forget quickly what happened and even if Alex swings around back people will feel it was cheating. 

    You have to stop blaming Alex for the poor judgment of others. The man has a terrible job because no matter what he does it's going to be wrong. 

    No one is blaming alex such as it is just the desicion amd timing. For the desicion part as he had at one time said mechanical and not mod issue then giving out bans seems excessive specialky cause someone does not want to say sorry on demand. However this is determined if cheating or bending of the rules if in actually cause of the vagueness of the rules in question it seems a ban is excessive. I have seen worse talk in the game channel to be honest by them that condem. 

  8. 1 hour ago, Madden8021 said:

    Tankobite is right and so are the others who do agree that NPO won't be fine no matter where the future path is going after being caught for cheating and etc. I think it's high time that NPO finally closed up shop and disband since the Reputation to NPO as a whole is now tarnished and deserves to disband or continue being the punching bag to where you'll have no more treaties and protection which results in a Perma Roll. Now choose wisely is to either finally admit that NPO had finally messed up and should come clean and disband or no one wants a treaty and protect NPO to which ends in a perma roll.

    Ah so u just threatened NPO with permanent war or roll lmao. Oh admin oh admin ....lmao .. naw couldn't be bothered. I am glad u can dictate what we can or cant do or should or should not. Just remember now these words u say may come back to haunt u. I dont know which u think u are that u can dictate to anyone what we are going to do or not as it is my understand only alex as the owner can say what u r saying. Geeesh for backroom trash talk like this we have members that r banned and yet u r still here .. go figure 

  9. 8 minutes ago, Madden8021 said:

    Wow, you're such a suck up to NPO like the fanboy you really are. Grow up and realise that NPO is on a downward spiral to no recovery, we know what your alliance has done and are already gaining that reputation of being hated by others in this community. So it's for the best that NPO disbands and move on to something else before it further tarnishes to another scandal anyway. Btw, saying that "NPO will be fine" tells you that you're such a suck up to their propaganda kool-aid. NPO will not be fine and will forever go on it's downward spiral to no return. 

     

    So ur saying that a couple of TEMP bans on some members mean we will be or should disband .  In all honesty we have been mostly disliked since day one we changed from the old Vamguard to NPO. And as well I get the impression that u are not going to rest til we either do disband or delete.  Hmmmm I think u are just proving maybe that the leadership is right on our side that months ago u all tried to set us up to beat us down to leave the game.  Oh see I just twisted ur words .. or didnt I. Like i mentioned NPO will be just fine without without ROQ and co 

  10. 54 minutes ago, Prefontaine said:

    Before it was even being officially investigated there’s logs of the ones in charge talking about not letting it get out about what they’re doing. There were forum posts about how GPWC was going to be isolated from the community because it was toxic, but also because they were just predominantly farmers there for a comic, which that needed to be kept secret. They also inform their farmers not to talk about what they were doing. This was all prior to the admin investigation, after which evidence was attempted to be hidden/destroyed. 

     

    You can attempt to make the case that there were were additional reasons besides knowing it was wrong, but knowing it was wrong was still a reason. 

    Just out of curiosity... if these privatr logs before the investigation were there ... how do u know them and how did u read them to know what was apperently said. 

  11. 4 minutes ago, Madden8021 said:

    Oh haha, how cute of you trying to defend your own alliance in saying "Oh, we did nothing wrong or broke the rules and law and we didn't deserve to see our gov members banned which was unjustified and GPWC getting a forced disban to where NPO doesn't deserve the hate either"

    Listen, NPO did what they've done and got caught red handed for it, the bans were justified and the only thing left to to find more evidence and let Sheepy, Law Enforcement and the Discord Trust and Safety Team get things done from the NPO Gov's side of the story "since they were the one's that have caused this" to which they need to tell the truth than keep on lying and having members like YOU defend them in even more lies and act like it never happened "when in fact it did." If things end in a guilty then NPO will have no other choice but to Disband but if it's Not Guilty then we can give up on this scandal either way.

    First and foremost the question was who do u think u r to be the one whom decides that we will disband .  

  12. 2 hours ago, Madden8021 said:

    Still, letting people pay to read illegal scanlations of manhwa, doxing members and even Alex, ddosing the game's website and forums, Using your Puppet Alliance as a tax farm and taking their Money and Resources to fuel members and gov of only NPO which even those members from GPWC are told to just log in before going into Gray while isolating GPWC members from interacting with the rest of Orbis is pretty much a stupid decision to illegal rule breaking actions. So NPO broke the Rules/Guidelines and ToS to P&W and even Discord since once caught for cheating to illegal activity then you should confess and give up to the law. NPO's Reputation is forever ruined since it's finally the best decision to Disband over the current scandal happening to NPO and GPWC. @Alex is looking over everything, getting evidence while making reports to Law Enforcement, Attorneys/Lawyers, and Discord's Trust and Safety Team so everything can be searched for the final verdict to be brought into light. It's just finally time for NPO to disband if everything is found Guilty but if it's not Guilty then whatever man.

    Btw, we also want confessions from the banned NPO members and gov that they're making false Accusations to the Google playstore and Apple App Store Reviews.

    Seriously.. wonders how u know so much what Alex is doing and whom u are to demand anything. 

  13. 11 minutes ago, Bundle of Sticks said:

    The game is his intellectual property, you play at his pleasure and by the rules he has created. If it was the players game, you all would have ruined it a long time ago because you would only do things that benefited your particular community. You are just as easily capable of not playing his game if you don't like his rules or decisions. Y'all cheated, got caught with your hands in the cookie jar, and are refusing to accept responsibility for it. Digging your heels into the dirt is just going to make this worse for you in the long run.

    The sad part is I am sure in your alliances vain attempt to cover up and get rid of the evidence, you are all probably forgetting that if Discord decides to investigate these claims, even with the channels and pictures gone from view of the public, they will still have records of it in their back log. Once things are posted online, they tend to remain there even when you think they are gone.

    Actually I play at my pleasure not Alex's. Yes it is his intellectual product and yes he sets the rules and to his credit he does get players help him with ideas amd stuff at times which he has said NPO has helped with as a matter of fact. You actually missed the point though that if the mods and such are participants they are actually in a conflict of interest situation.  As can actually be conceived as in his own words he has join in on the action and one can actually question if there was bias or not. No not accusing here just making the point. If I recall correctly when this game was first created the original moderation team where not allowed to participate at all. I can even admit to myself that if is a part of any of the moderation team I would be bias or have a favorable few of certain AA ol and such. Hence why I never entertiancthe thought. 

    17 minutes ago, Maelstrom Vortex said:

    We didn't cheat. He elected to change the interpretation of the rules because he didn't realize the scale by which non-monetary transactions may propagate. He could have more clearly defined the rules, been more precise on flat out banning all transactions that didn't go to his wallet, but he didn't. I've seen all the evidence. I consider myself to be relatively unbiased because though I belong to NPO, I also care for a fair battlefield, and I can tell you right now.

    Alex is at Fault.
    So is the NPO.

    Problem is only one side bears any form of punishment. This is my view on the matter and all I will say any further on it. This was handled poorly all around. Rarely is the truth black and white. When egos prevail, no one wins.

    How a professional would have handled this:

    1. Updated and clarified the rules in a manner that could not be mistaken or otherwise interpreted.
    2. Acknowledgement of fault by both parties. A mature conversation about how to re-balance the game in light of the correction.
    3. No bans, but definitely modifications to assets to reflect consensus.
    4. Elimination of non-active actors over time by their own inactivity. New standards of activity.

    I say this in light that I have assisted with developing and moderating a game of a similar design. I have seen these same occurrences as a completely third party in other gaming worlds.

    Dont make sense MV ... it dont sit well here. Remember all were paranoid we were trying to make players delete and bust alliances.  If this was true we at least were warring on our own and not use admin to have to make severe desicions and do the dirty work they were not willing to do 

  14. 2 minutes ago, Bundle of Sticks said:

    What part of them doing illegal things while breaching the Terms of Service that everyone here agreed to follow when they signed up for this game are you failing to understand? Is this your game or Alex's game? Do you make the rules, or does he? I realize you Pacificans drink the kool-aid by the barrel full, but y'alls bellyaching is just embarrassing at this point.

    Hopefully it is the players game. I would think anyone the creates games thinks and let's the players play the game. Yes Alex owns the game but should never get involved with the game as long as he is the man making the desicions. Yes in his own words he does participate and regardless what side he may play or even if he plays both sides it is still a conflict of interest. Take this as u will as I  sure u will twist it some way. 

  15. 41 minutes ago, Sval said:

    Gosh, I do love a good straw man.

    Here, let me try.

    "Well if everybody's committing genocide it must be alright!"

    Your turn.

    It's okay I pass .. got better things to do 

    42 minutes ago, Bjorn Ironside said:

    so 3-5 days so 2.55b to 4.25b  I know a few left and tons joined NPO, but with the amount they was farming I hope you take action sooner rather than later, if they wish to stay they can still join NPO from none.

    Spoken like a true admin lapdog 

  16. 31 minutes ago, Sval said:

    I mean, game rule violations aside, the publishers of the manwha would have serious grounds for pressing charges based on the evidence Alex has collected.

    Of course, there's also NPO's defence to consider; Alex can't prove that any such manwha actually ever existed. Only the promise of it being provided.

    "We didn't violate Copyright Law, we committed Fraud!"

    So everyone has not downloaded movies or music of certain sites or acquired however they are without permission from the right holders to such things or no one else has shared back and for pics or memes of any kind without the original publishers permission or tagged a news line of some kind..blah blah blah blah ...  

  17. Just now, Stewie said:

    Yes, he only got brought to it because they thought it was a bot network.

    It was not a bot network, it was something even more nefarious.

    Omg forgive if real people are playing they game lol .. funny bout that too ... normally I am very inactive .. most of the time missing my log ins and so forth .. hell half the time ROQ has had to message me to sign in just to spend the money for my growth .. and yes what am I saying .. I myself am more a farm than anything .... sure I been a little a tive lately as work and life has been slow or was but basically I am a friggin farm by the way they are using it against us .. 

  18. 34 minutes ago, Stewie said:

    In the eyes of the Judge, Jury and Executioner (Admin) there was sufficient evidence and grounds to perform the actions undertaken.

     

    He gathered the Intel himself which he acted upon. Personally I don't think you can use the argument that they used admins to fight their battle in this example.

    Was admins words not he would not of thought about until it was brought to his attention months before around november I believe ? And hi Stewie 

  19. 20 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

    They didn't commit merely a second offense, they committed hundreds of offenses over a sustained period.  Are you suggesting that their bans should have been permanent instead?

    No .. there were no offences and seeing the arguement were it was a mechanical and not a model issue for one ... and the way it is described or reported supposedly it is all 1 issue of so called outside farming and so forth which I understand it as recruiting for the game. Personally if this method is walking the fine line of what u call farming them maybe less penalties are in order then redefine the rule to the recruiting process in game through mediation and committee of all peoples and not a select few.  This went to far and the harshness has actually angered or caused people to delete due to coalitions complaints then enticing which is what coalition aWas supposedly trying to say what NPO and co was trying to do hence walking away from terms and surrendering. Seriously the hypocracy of the whole mess really really stands out to the one sidedness of the game.  It gives the impression that if TS is not in control of the game and things are not done their way or they are losing let's get admin to do it for us. This time as u see from many posts  the anger and resentments causing deletion and other ricpical events outwayed the war and its events.

  20. On 2/5/2020 at 4:38 PM, Prefonteen said:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Looks pretty clear cut, and frankly the punishments are far too mild for the offense.

    I prob read it wrong but it seems to me first offence was a nation reset and no ban til the second which is permanent.  If there isxanything that actually was wrong. 

    On 2/5/2020 at 4:48 PM, Alex said:

    That's not true. It's trivial for me to sum up the tax records for GPWC nations, you can see for yourself:

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    Calculating resource values:

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    Trivial to make make a sound judgement?  Wow just wow.  I guess it is just trivial that we form a defense with no trial too 

  21. 2 hours ago, Etatsorp said:

    lol can't believe I'm responding to you!!  But it would be remiss of me not to acknowledge that this has got to be your only post, in an amongst your volumes of poorly contrived, barely readable garbage, that demonstrates any degree of insight.  Well done, I think you're human (a pretty stupid one, but human nonetheless) ? I do wonder how you reconcile this notion of protagonist/antagonist and people being different with the hegemony co. A just managed to prevent (and yes I know, we cried to admin etc etc)

    So on other words everyone must play nice without some kind of "endgame" in mind and I dont mean making people delete or get banned.  Sure even I can admit that some of my posts do sound off the wall and  with that in mind I dont work real life and only have so much time to respond amd maybe points should be more defined. But since of course am dealing with feeble minded I guess understanding the gist of common English is not possible of a 2 year old. Next time I will just use the words good enemy and bad enemy and you will understand better I assume though probally a big assumption. Now as far as I am aware just cause we use are farms as more of a banking nation instead of  meatshields a d because they are not as active as some people think and I mean think your side unjustly assumed agian we are cheating. Sure maybe we came up with a economic system that you dont like maybe cause you didnt have the brains to think it out we have to pay. Problem is since day one everyone has considered NPO the big bad bullies and cheating community from other realms and different times.  We started NPO as a offshoot of a alliance called Vamguard and even under that name and because of the original members of that time the word was still shaky towards us .meaning no matter what we do it will always be wrong and un acceptable to some. You have small minds that instead of playing the game today under changing dynamics to move forward to create new events to make the game better with more people in it you went and cried foul when the ball actually hit the line.  

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