Alataq

You're pretty much right. Though the majority of us have held ourselves at fault. Our move this war was a very stupid move, and it was our fault. None of us tried to hide that or point our bad political move at anyone else. But you're right, we haven't held the torch to our future. We have handed the torch over to someone else. We're hoping to fix that in the future. Obviously you'll always hate us, and that's fine. But who knows? Maybe we'll always be irrelevant or incompetent or whatever you call us. I don't. For us, this is a starting step in the right direction, maybe it'll fail like some of our past endeavors have. Either way, right now... I don't have the slightest doubt that this is the right move for us. Cornerstone is a good alliance. Maybe they can turn us around. Maybe not. I have hope for this though.

You were leader for about 1 week. When Morgan Fraser/Red/Lysandre/whatever he's known as was leader your growth was mainly rising. Maybe you not having the time caused your member base to go down, not sure... I wasn't that invested. I just remember something like that. How was our decision to attack SK incompetent? Incompetent definition: https://i.gyazo.com/f9127706ea2991fcbf6ddd5acd1af077.png Our attack, while not great compared to others, was decent compared to our member base. You could call our decision to attack SK a stupid one, and I would not argue, but I wouldn't call it incompetent. :/

How did RCI work out when you ran it again?

The one last January, whatever it was called.

Got to start somewhere. We can't just jump into an MDoAP with an alliance that we've never had an agreement with before. Currently at our size, we can't succeed on our own. I don't think that's really a secret just by looking at our alliance. We've existed for a long time, but we figured that having one ODP with BoC would not protect us. With only 16 members, it's quite clear that us being attacked would pretty much cripple us. (Especially after the war, being demilitarized.) - Thanks to Cornerstone for protecting us. You guys are pretty cool. o/ CS

Good luck guys.

It's easy m'kay

Gl with #1

Without tl;dr's, we're lost in life.

Congrats on peace TKR.

UPN's probably held it the longest during peace times.

UPN sucks, etc etc. <3

o/ BK Grats you guys.

The side did not influence how well we performed in war. except maybe it did

I remember the dankness as if it was just yesterday. o/ OO

MrBooty wasn't coordinating this attack. Maybe you don't know what trash is. Incidentally (no shade srry MrBooty) when he was "supreme dictator" our 54 members declared 8 wars. With 15 members, we declared on 24. Also, no one cares about TLF. Thanks for bringing us back into the spotlight though...

If it makes you feel better, we don't like you much either. <3

Article V We will never break up. If we are to we must tell each other 72 hours in advanced, okay?" TLF asked. UPN agreed. "Okay. We will be together forever." They both said at the same time as their lips locked. Guess our breakup was rushed. </3

Yeah, that's it.

Please read the forum messages above. Like I said, we went to BK and they were cool about it. We didn't plan to fight them, and ToG didn't expect us to go to war with them. TLF couldn't protect ToG from an alliance of BK's size and we knew that. We directed them to get a protectorate as we couldn't do the job. HBE and VE dropped them, so it was really their only choice. I've never claimed you were salty. I'm claiming you don't care about what are motives were and are just jumping to conclusions. And you're right, they are more understanding. I don't think you understood the messages I put on the forums. I never claimed we were pawns of Rose. You guys were great allies who helped us multiple times throughout our friendship. I'm just saying, in regards to the argument that we are doing this because we don't want to be rolled, and want to be on the winning side, that isn't true. Thus me saying we've been rolled multiple times to aid you in the fight (yes, even the last war where we declared on Arrgh to aid UPN. It was our choice and we were fine with it)

UPN talking to us 3 hours before the war is true. You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Keep coming in with bold statements, and I'm sure you'll sway somebody to think you know what you're talking about. Talk to UPN if you'd like to know our reasoning behind doing what we did. Unlike you, the few people I've talked to in UPN haven't been salty and freaking out without hearing us out and our full motives. I have nothing to say to you though.

We were notified 3 hours before war began.

That's fair, however the general consensus of the alliance was that we did want to fight.

Yes, his nation is totally the destroyed one.

Read the chat above bud. We did do shit. We just didn't do it by force against an alliance 10x our size when they were cool in private messages.