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There are 342 nations in your war range. 107 of them have less score than you. Of those, there are on the order of ~20 who are in relatively weak alliances. If you try hard enough you can find it.

Something like that. Of course, the "guilty until proven innocent" generalization doesn't entirely hold up either.

It's just a handy addition, mostly.

It would be even better if there was a running total of how many times a suggestion has been shot down, so the more frequently asked ones gain greater visibility.

(Doubleposting because I feel that editing is bad) And people will use the "innocent until proven guilty" when it's convenient for their side to use it rather than try to actually determine the guilt value of the suspect.

It's more like "guilty if convenient" or "guilty if it doesn't align with my beliefs"

Well, more like you are as guilty as the public perceives you, but that's a tautological definition.

If he is innocent, WHY is he falsifying evidence?

Awareness of the truth which is conveniently ignored by your side of argument, and perhaps some people from ours (regarding Beli) PB possibly has other objectives, being the actual victim of it all.

I'll just say that I have no intrinsic ill will towards GPA. (ooc again: heck, I even played 1914 with you guys and collaborated on a project (even if that ultimately fell through due to inactivity)) However, the spy attacks cast the perpetrators, and therefore the government of GPA, and therefore the alliance itself in a bad light. This would be no different if it were some other alliance that ended up spying PB, if it were unprovoked.* Since PB was attacked on two separate days, it would be logical for him to look at who is online at the odd hour of the day (and furthermore has spies) on the first night, being prepared to track those nations in real-time the next night. *I am fairly confident that FSA (and a few small micro alliances that I have raided, mostly without spy capabilities), the only alliances that are justified in spying PB, did not do so. It would be understandable if they spied us (in fact, yes this is likely the case for the spy attacks on my nation), and I doubt PB would've made a topic if he believed that to be true.

Godwin's Law wins again

[13:58:06] <Kurdanak[Rose]> I did always tried to check our war screen for rogues, only to find dozens of raids [13:58:13] <Kurdanak[Rose]> *try Suggestion inspired by this. Filtering wars by defensive/offensive will likely screen out the voluntary raids on other alliances and get to the incoming raids faster.

This one appears to be doctored though.

Alliance #1 or Nation #1? (I can see a past reference if it's the latter, and possibly the former) It's a very tangential issue, yes. Probably the most exciting news since the war though, so I'm not sure why it bores. Let's face it - there aren't very many exciting situations that bloom out of peace. (There are some, like perhaps a momentous treaty being signed, but those are more of a sublime form of awe.)

Grillick threw himself under the bus so the Belisarius incident would be ignored, which is exactly what half of you are doing.

Reposting this. This chapter still has no satisfactory conclusion. See this for PB's take, conveniently posted before you although I don't really fault you for not reading all 14 and growing pages: (ooc: it will be hilarious if this thread grew bigger than all of the past war dec threads that we have had)

Grillick has actively admitted to spying him on the 12th, and Belisarius has been caught giving falsified evidence. What more do you want?

Ok, let's break down Belisarius' case because I have a feeling that some people are missing some important points. - PB claims that Belisarius spied him on January 10 and 11. -- Evidence as given: Belisarius' captured count allegedly coincided with PB's spy losses. --- These could have happened if another nation spied on Belisarius and failed, but no such nation was offered. -- PB offers Belisarius a test to see whether he had used his spy operation - kill a third party's spies, to be reimbursed. --- Belisarius accepts. However, Belisarius instead gives a gather data operation, something that has more ambiguous tracing. ---- Importantly, the cost of the provided operation implied that the person who did it used 4 spies at covert settings, when the same spy odds could have been done at 10-12 spies at lowest settings. This means that the person who sent it almost certainly has fewer than 10-12 spies. (In other words, this was not Belisarius' report.) If Belisarius is innocent, he has no incentive to falsify his data. He is guilty.

Realism! Name one nuclear research project that cost $50 million (ok, with resource costs added, let's bump that up to $70 million). For the record, the Manhattan Project cost about $2 billion, and that was in 1939 dollars. Similarly the other projects are absurdly cheap. You can even arm a soldier for a mere two bucks! Every single square inch of land has equal opportunity in resource extraction (including in the ocean), except when you cross a continent border, where suddenly the mineral composition radically changes to offer three new resources. Aircraft are apparently 100% aluminum. Nowhere do they manufacture the rubber for the tires, the soft cushions for the seats, the silicon for the circuitry, etc. Name one nation where all of their cities are uniformly the same size at 150,000 people and 1500 square miles with little variation. Where they run on fully nuclear power. Where, despite a leader's best intentions to improve the commerce, can never increase their average income by over triple. Where you can change your government every 5 days (ok, every 60 ingame days) without any sort of turmoil period in between. Where a single police station and hospital in a city can completely cure disease and crime. Where city costs grow exponentially. Therefore I posit that Grillick does not own a nation either. This is not meant to be a game of realism.

If any of the nations or their represented alliances actually affected (read: not GPA) by the raids wish to post a new topic for discussion on that matter, we can discuss that then. Until then this is just a lame ad hominem attack on PB.

Then you would know the identity of said nation who spied Belisarius, as well as have a free spy action. The fact that you're dealing with vague hypotheticals means that no such nation exists as, were such a nation to exist, you would immediately provide that as counterproof to PB's accusations.

I think we can prove a slightly weaker statement: Belisarius must have spied someone unprovoked. If Belisarius did not use his spy action for the day, the rational thing to do would be to take up PB's offer. Next, note the following: Currently, GPA is at war with one rogue (from INTL Anarcho-Communist Front or whatever) who has no spies. The previous GPA war before that was over two weeks ago, so as Belisarius had already used his spy action of the day (no less, increasing the capture count). Thus Belisarius has no reason whatsoever to kill anyone's spies, and this is an unprovoked aggression.

I think this calls for someone to create a bot that scours spy casualties every minute or so.

To be fair, I have more steel than that

If there's anyone who I'd trust to analyze real-time P&W data, it's Princess Bubblegum. Remember the Abbas incident back in Alpha? Yeah.