Charles Bolivar

It is like a convoluted inbred redneck MI6 family tree apparently. Never mind that guerrilla republik and by extension vanguard which Roq was a member of are also involved in it since cynic was one of the original tS founders and who also founded GR. Cynic founded GR, GR became vanguard (notice a fair few of NPO's gov originate from vanguard), NPO splinters from vanguard, vanguard later merges into NPO. Conclusion, NPO is an MI6 splinter

Truly and utterly incredible the limits you will go to so as to warp outright falsehoods to suit your own narrative. I am actually amused now, please tell me more how tS is a clone of MI6 and similar to the branches of NPO in that regards.

An equal amount of crossover? Kidding me? I responded to something similar within the NPO embassy on tS' boards so I will just paste my response here since it is essentially the same but to say tS has as much crossover with MI6 as the two branches of NPO share is blatantly ridiculous and you really are just repeating it over and over to suit your own twisted and warped narrative. Which is nothing new.

I don't believe anyone is attempting to make NPO look like the " bad guys". People are just calling it as they see it from my perspective, personally I would label you as attempting to play the victim but failing terribly at it which is a surprise because you usually are so good at it.

1. The cropped log of chim used within the recruitment screenshot didn't occur on the (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) forums, it occurred in a channel unrelated to (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) as far as I understand. 2. This topic is based upon PnW NPO recruiting from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) NPO branch using the cropped and manipulated log image in order to combat an alleged threat here whilst outright and deliberately manipulating information presented within the cropped image to suit your own agenda. 3. All of your logs and quotes are from forums, games and irc channels totally unrelated to PnW and thus have no relevance here. tldr: quit it

I don't get it. Partisan provides a screenshot gained from NPO's forums recruiting (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) members for a war against a mysterious "threat" in PnW who you and nobody else from NPO can name and that is somehow bad because it involves (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) within a PnW related context. You then provide at my last count 3 or 4 logs and quotes from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) related channels which have nothing to do with PnW but that is fine? The narrative you are attempting to portray is slipping.

I am actually impressed, you presume too much in your presumptions, mostly for reasons of convenience so as to suit your own narrative in regards to how other alliances work internally and view NPO but that's understandable given your particular viewpoint. Other than that it was a pretty good response. Will repeat what buor said though and provide some context on NPO and radar. NPO right now is simply untested and unproven. You have a small former core of former vanguard members who presumably know how to fight in a war and I assume a stack of guides for the rest of your membership whose experience would be mostly against raiders. Now, you are rather accomplished in gaining treaties however until you actually prove your worth in a decent war, you simply aren't going to be viewed as significant in the greater scheme of things compared to your allies who have proven their capabilities over an extensive time period. Also, just to be clear if we apply your logic regarding chim to your own posts, do NPO believe chim speaks for the syndicate and that this cropped log indicates tS intent towards NPO? If the words of chim represent tS then presumably the narrative you are presenting represents NPO's policies? Or does NPO's own gov establish NPO policies like most alliances in this game? Also, leave my genitals alone

Actually pretty easy to think in abstract in regards to separating names and faces from that of an alliance/organisation if I have properly understood the meaning you are attempting to convey, is a tad bit unclear so apologies if I have misunderstood your post. Plus, you really are in no position to tell me how my opinion of a person affects my view of an alliance, I know it makes it easier for your narrative to claim as much but in this case you are incorrect in your presumption.

Hate is a strong word, pity would be more accurate I suppose. Oh well. Also rather revealing that you believe having a personal opinion should be based upon solely how tenable the opinion is. Of course, given that you have always consistently changed your opinions and actions so as to gain the maximum personal benefit to yourself, really isn't that surprising at all. Anyone would be pigheaded and stubborn in comparison to you in that regards as you stand for nothing but your own benefit.

Good luck with this

NPO's involvement in this has occurred through their own actions here in this realm I believe along with the recruitment screenshot. @ hestia, given that my assessment of roq has no basis upon how I interact with NPO, I am not going to engage in a debate with you in regards to something which has no bearing upon this game.

You have caught on to my master plan

I like this. Good to see

Absolute pish. Besides the last few months when I wasn't there I never saw any member or gov member ever attempt to emulate MI6 in any manner whatsoever. Quite the opposite actually, who in their right mind would want to emulate MI6?

Umm no, you and it looks like NPO are associating tS with MI6 because chim runs his mouth off in both realms. That is about all you have to go on when tS and MI6 are vastly different in membership composition along with ideology, treaties and I think nearly everything else you could think of. Example, one of these members who mentioned MI6 in a war dec in this game has been in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) fark I think for 4ish years now? It is a very shaky tip of the iceberg you are sitting on using that as a valid point. I will copy and paste what I specifically said to NPO in the embassy because effort at trying to type everything out again. The basic topic and context for the last day or so is how we are substantially different from MI6 in all things, besides chim running his mouth as admitted previously. The whole tS = MI6 thing is moronic and you should feel ashamed for even attempting it. tS didn't deliberately attempt to bring (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) matters into this game, the initial event which sparked it off was the war decs in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) which any reasonable person can see had their origin based here. If not the sole motive then it is surely a motive for the war against MI6. All tS gov did was mention the concern that such a thing had occurred and suddenly we have this shitfest of alpha and allies running around saying tS = MI6, chim is evil because he is in both alliances and that tS is bringing (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) drama to PnW. Not sure if tS was merely to sit in silence, say nothing and make no comment in regards to various concerns but it seems the moment tS said anything, people started accusing tS of bringing drama in after alpha/NG along with other (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) members had already started making reference to PnW events playing some role even if a minimal role in the (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) wars. A discussion and dialogue involves two or more persons but in order for a discussion to actually occur, everyone involved actually has to be able to speak their opinion without the other side blindly accusing the other of starting trouble merely by saying something. Instead we now have NPO creating a recruitment drive against a "threat" which has no name but clearly indicates at least chim since an out of context log was used. Talk about motives and hidden agendas.

Better start stocking up on that coal and food!

Must be that pesky neutral menace again.Who else could it possibly be?

Much like we were discussing on IRC an hour or so ago, people often write things into DoWs which they don't mean. Much like how alpha nations say they are going to nuke a person in a DoW but don't actually follow through with it. I am sure you understand

Who is this threat you speak of?

Feels like the republican candidate nomination process in here.

What is not 30 pages may never end.

Hah, I have written considerably longer posts in my time. That was a brick within a wall.

Sup, has been a long time hasn't it? To cut the crap out so I don't have emulate partisan and waste a half hour of my time writing a wall of text, yes, I did say that any realm where a person like you has any relevance is shit. Why? Precisely because of what you are doing right now. The common trend for you in every situation where a person expresses a personal grievance or criticism in regards to your personality is for you to play the victim card and run around using it for in game for a political purpose or point. Much like you are doing right now. This is what you continuously do and have done in both (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) and now here, "so and so does not have nice things to say about me, must somehow play the victim card" whilst you sit and s!@#$ about it with your inner circle who know full well the sham you are attempting to perform whilst manipulating the greater community into possibly feeling sympathy for you. This is what you continuously do and I think everyone who knows you from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) expects it from you. No one certainly defends you even within your own allies when I express my personal criticisms of you so it can't be just me for that matter who thinks you are purely toxic for any community and that relays precisely the context of the quote of mine you dropped. My quote has no specific bearing upon (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) or PnW. It has bearing upon my judgment of your character, I am pretty sure if I met you in the real world you would probably live up to my expectations based upon my judgement of you based on our thankfully few interactions within (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) and from the looks of it now PnW too. It has nothing to do with whatever alliance you are in and it certainly does not affect my judgement of whatever alliance you are in and it certainly does not affect how I interact with NPO. The same cannot be said for you however as you just freely admitted to condoning refusing your diplomats and members to discuss in game alliance matters and concerns with a person who you particularly have a personal grievance with which originated in an another game. That is the crucial difference between you and myself and expresses exactly why I think you are a complete waste of space as a person. And before you even attempt to spin this into some in game plea for sympathy, let me remind everyone I just spent 2 months in an AA allied to you so it is pretty clear I do not let my personal judgement of persons affect how I view an alliance. If I were in the same alliance as you I would have exactly the same opinion of you so do not even attempt to somehow make this a political ingame dislike which has crossed over from a different game. Why do I think you are toxic for this community, (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways)'s community and indeed any community? Because you are manipulative and will attempt to use any justification or excuse to achieve your own ends regardless of the merit found within the justification itself. I play a few online MMO games and if I noticed you playing there or indeed any person playing the game who resembled your personality, I would say much the same as I did in the quote you dropped, so and so is a whatever and the realm/community is shit because it would be the truth. People like you ruined (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways), these of us who founded tS, cynic included for that matter deliberately came to this game for a fresh start away from this sort of crap you are attempting to pull but lo and behold, here you are 18 months later pulling the same crap and even mentioning exactly the same criticisms you did in (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways). "Charles and chim are bad because they call me mean things because I act like a prick, tS/MI6 is bad as a result so I must get whatever alliance I am in to act against them". It has nothing to do with whatever game I first met you in so don't try and spin it into some jab at myself not being impartial to alliances found in both communities and games. It is solely to do with my judgement of you as a person, much as I am sure you maintain grievances with particular persons from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) who now reside here in this realm. Whether they are genuine grievances or grievances maintained solely for political reasons so as to justify your dislike of alliances found here in PnW I really have no idea and to be honest, I really don't care. Also, please feel free to somehow use my post against you as some personal OOC attack and then run around to everyone saying the syndicate is evil, it is your typical modus operandi and I expect everyone and anyone who knows you to do so anyway so you should at the very least attempt to live up to their expectations. Also, in regards to cynic, he didn't get ousted over (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) matters. What happened was he broke our forums I think 3 or 4 times in a week or two, constantly wanted to have himself set up as some supreme chairperson/dictator against the wishes of the other dozen or so founders and the majority of the alliance who wanted a more accountable system of government and then wanted to change our alliance theme from a corporate one to a sons of anarchy theme. The (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) drama you just love to keep repeating was simply the last straw. It didn't inspire much faith in his leadership, he left the alliance after our other gov members had a word with him about his general conduct and how it wasn't fitting for a person in any leadership position and requested that he fix his act. He decided to resign at that moment in time.

Seems oddly relevant.

Interesting development this.