Prefonteen

I agree. We shouldnt be defending this action because frankly its the result of your treatment of tS and your creation and enabling of grumpy over the period since npolt. Now pardon me while i farm alongside friend @Sweeeeet Ronny D instead of doing the dirty work of you ungrateful cats. Im talking about allowing hm/hw to snowball into the top tier size it has become. Whatever other tangent youre on is irrelevant in the conversation on the meta that matters.

I tried my best to prevent your creation -hollywood- from growing out of control. You !@#$ed up and yes, tS failed to contain your !@#$up. Many of the people who now cry foul also cried foul when tS did fight grumpy. TS owes you nothing. This is not our fight any longer. Go fix it yourself.

Holton, May 11th: "Wars have become meaningless!" "Political roleplay is going extinct!" "booo bad!" Also Holton (OP): "ITS ALL THE FAULT OF THE RETIRED LEADERS" This is your ideology. Eat it.

People often reference my posts. They like me. Love me. Commend me on my wit and intellect. They tell me my posts are pretty. They tell me *I* am pretty. Me? I just like to talk about penises. (this entire exchange with thrax)

You dont trust me?

Hodor is right. Friend can you give me a definition of what a sphere is?

Id come with another with clapback but tbh yoyre right. Rose is pitiful.

Your alliance's existence is.

CItizens of Orbis, I step from crevices of the Syndicate retirement today with a clear message. Kiss my fricking butt. Did you read that or skim it? Skimmed it? Read it again friend. Okay, here goes. When The Syndicate did what you bloody cats did not dare and formed the frontline against grumpys upper tier consolidation, you moaned and cried "Parti bad! Syndi hegemon!", forming a gamewide MDP. I did not hold it against you. Okay that's a lie. I bloody did hold it against you because it was the sort of politically wussed out behavior ive now come to expect from you. You formed a gamewide coalition and took down the big bad quack. Alright. When tS downsized itself to accommodate your tunnel vision-inducing flawed ideology of !@#$ed minispheres that alternate in boinking one another without purpose or path, you immediately jumped on the opportunity to... consolidate GOB further and also sought more ways to boink t$ (in my absence, no less!). Okay, fair dinkum. So after a prolonged period of t$ atempting to join your multiverse fiasco, t$ upgraded a bit to match !@#$ and HW. Boy did we hear it. God himself must've bought earplugs to withstand the orchestra of your wailing sorrow. How dare hegemon t$ have allies! They must remain cordoned off so you can safely dabble about in your idiocy and roll them when its their turn! So now t$ is faced with a choice. For the twenty-fifth time in Orbis history, it can form Orbis' unsupported frontline against grumpy's whale shit, incurring significant losses while the cuck brigade spits at it from the back, only to be rolled the next war. Or it can set upon a different path, breaking an age-old rivalry and shrugging off the selfserving expectations of politicians who are barely lettered enough to read the first three sentences of this pamflet. The Syndicate is done with your bullshit. It will not pander, nor conform to your faux, hypocrite outrage. We stand here with our friends @Sweeeeet Ronny D and @Adrienne to jointly give you the finger. Go find your own entertainment. Sod off. Outta here. Continue with the backroom dogpile. Continue pretending you're doing a dynamic war, rather than choosing the wussy way out of rolling a defenseless party in hopes your actual rivals slit one anothers throat. Go on acting tough, yelling at clouds. I will sit here and not have to log in as I have. Ronny will continue to amass whales and hoard pixels. Adrienne will continue to look fabulous while her successor bungles TKR's dignity. Up yours.

We all know what comes after Hogwarts. Blinks

Denied. Try again in a year. NPO can come back though.

I hold you accountable for morf

I'm not a girl.

Neither duration of existence of former bloc nor number of wars fought with it are metrics that have any bearing on the merits of our signing. It is not tkr's place to dictate the morality of said metrics. Your other stated points regarding TS and rose being principle drivers and our treaty therefore being immoral is frankly undone by your standing treaty with GG. I will advise my government to simply ignore it as what it is- a flimsy justification of your outrage over the existence of a similarly tiered grouping. The bloc is here. It's competitive. It's not dominant or game breaking. It breaks an old rivalry and shapes a new tie. Ive yet to hear a solid argument as to why it's a horrible thing that doesn't reek of cognitive dissonance.

"You can't match our upper tier because that's killing dynamism. How dare you not sit there and let me wave my whalepeen around in the name of glorious intrigue"

I recommended all readers to let this post sink in. It outlines clearly the dissonance that exists in the rationales of some parties. The bolded part in particular reveals a modus operandi that is completely misaligned with the projected ideologies and the stated outrage of these parties.

Those were good days. Remember that time I defended you from Sparta aggression friend? You were like "help help friend Partisan im being rolled help!" and I, all brazenly looking in my daft cape charged upon thine foes in a blaze of heroic rage. You thanked me for my troubles and told me if ever I felt the need to call a favor, I need only ring. Ring ring friend ronny! The favour is to cut TKR and Guardian! Checkmate!

Friend Ronny, I never made a personal, direct declaration of war against you while leading t$. I do not think this war is between you and I. We are friends. As a friend, I fundamentally disagree with the way you have lined up your whale toys however. That's okay. I'm not mad, just disappointed. EDIT: Except for that one time a long time ago. Maybe. I don't remember all too well. You did attack me while you were in VE as well though, and tried to demand my resignation. Let's call it even friend!

I think you touch on a few decent points. My personal view is that the GG combination hould, at the very least, split. But that's personal. If we take a step back to what has occurred here: - t$ and Rose announce a treaty and slimmed down sphere which concentrates more on upper tier (while limiting its size to prevent a quack situation). It's stated in private channels (I think also here?) that this isn't necessarily a move directly aimed at grumpy. (Note: t$ gov at least initially took that stance. I'm of the personal opinion grumpy is a threat by virtue of tiering) - Individuals in Clock or HW: "THIS IS A HEGEMONY. QUACK 2.0. CONSOLIDATION! RO$E BAD" - t$/Rose counter with "Well actually, if you look at HW/Grumpy, we're now on equal footing." - Individuals in Clock or HW: "SEE! THIS IS ALL ABOUT GRUMPY! YOU ARE CONSOLIDATING TOO! JUST LIKE QUACK. !@#$ YOU FOR HITTING GRUMPY IN NPOFT. T$ IS ALWAYS TOXIC" ----> Insert t$ getting pissy. Again, my observation. I agree that our tiering is a non-issue because the sphere was kept slim enough. Anyone who blabbers about our size can eat my snake.

------- "TKR good, t$ bad. Dont compare!" . This warrants no serious response. ----- TKR currently is not playing on equal terms. t$ has just made a move to equalize terms, and TKR is....throwing a tantrum. ---- Ah yes, let's bring NPOLT into this again. I didn't hear you about this when you allied us afterwards. ----- GOB is not a "personal grudge". GOB is a security concern. Ronny and I both acknowledged that state a long time ago. The difference is day and night. Ronny understands. Why don't you? When you come up with revisionist horseshit (pun intended) like this afterwards, you directly contribute to any hostility t$ may end up harboring. t$ at the time responded by engaging various community members, taking criticism and reflecting on it. Some of it we took to heart and worked on changing. Other things, we didn't. You seem to gloss over the fact that that while a portion of the participants of that thread attempted to constructively critique, an equal portion engaged in shoddy OOC behavior while critiquing us, and/or simply used the opportunity to air political grievances that did not really belong in that thread. I can guarantee you that a similar thread on any other major/controversial actor will generate similar levels of responses. The difference between us is smaller than you think. As one of Syndi's primary actors since its inception, I can safely state that you grossly misinterpret the Syndicate's driving forces. I know and understand TKR, probably better than you do. Frankly, this sort of rhetoric does not suit the core tenets upon which your alliance operates. Collectively, we are what you want to see. There is little more to it. When you are ready to have a grown up conversation which includes introspection on your part, I will be there to reciprocate. Until then, my pastime will remain haunting these forums.

I'm not responsible for the average iq on these forums. But when I see: -morf claiming to wasn't a major political player. - morph claiming tS never talked to you about our feelings about your grumpy pairing and its implications for the game I just can't help but think your fa has devolved into outright lying, or you have replaced your fa with a bloody barstool. Or both. A lying bloody barstool. Ri, we can do better friend. Rose is my friend. Rose was always my friend.

2015 - 2017 or so. Uhhuh what. Immortals has been majorly involved in politics since npolt, forming several spheres and being involved in several major wars. Come on man. Bring @Adrienneback. This is just embarrassingly poor. My views on grump and tkr tiering are no secret. As keyogg they were already an issue. With the it's a whole other beast. Agreed wrt the rest I don't see toxicity

That is my point: It required BW + Rosesphere to challenge HW. By virtue of the logic you levied against quack, that's an issue..

(grabbing this quote for the edit): Ignoring bolded since its a historically inaccurate, loaded statement. Was HW's loss caused by a single entity, or by multiple entities working together? When I ran quack, one of the charges levied against us was that we couldn't be challenged by any single sphere, supposedly. Therefore, we were dogpiled. Why does the same logic not apply to HW? Even with Ro$e combining as we are, it remains a tight race with grumpy (due to the top tier downdeclares). I'm looking for an argument that sticks to Ro$e but not to HW (which has been around much longer and has upsized recently). Where is the moral outrage stemming from? I'm certain Wana will answer you, for I do not have the policy-making position. All I can say is that i'm disappointed in TKR for the HW move, and I hope that in time dialogue can exist for the dismantlement of upper tier consolidation and the reactionary bloc-consolidation that has occurred in its wake on a meta level. I remarked in RON earlier that a return to a political state where alliances are central, rather than blocs, would do us all well. Perhaps one day, an old snake can dream.

I'm not Ro$e gov. Be that as it may: I fully understand Clock's frustration at the developed situation. They are now in the spot t$ and Ro$e felt themselves in until recently. I don't see how that is morally reprehensible on our part however. Particularly with the efforts WANA and whoever runs rose these days made to keep the sphere lean (with success). Can you uhh... explain to me what the exact problem is, while also accounting for the political context this move was made in (read: HW's top tier dominance over all at the moment, and Clock's ranking above rose and t$ individually pre-move)?