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I have 2 category suggestions. 1. Most influential alliance 2. Most loyal alliance (the alliance who always and most completely follows through on treaties, whether binding or not)

"The pursuit of mastery is an endless journey, but those who persevere etch their names in history."

"Nice nation, it would be a shame if..."

Don't pull a muscle from that stretch, your echo chamber is just you flooding the fourms with Quack propaganda and playing victim to give your members some twisted sense of moral righteousness and to gain sympathy from those who don't know any better. It's painful that you've come far enough that you really can't even comphened that I can state my own opinions aside from official statements from the alliance. See above statement, as your replies are essentially the same

That is extremely Ironic coming from you of all people. I just pointed out another similarity, but if you want to put on the boot and lace it go ahead. Ultimately you have been doing a very poor job at Proving you aren't with your propaganda threads and the conversations within them, escpecially more recently.

Doing a great job at Proving my echo chamber comment wrong I see. Luckily for me, you don't get to decide if what I said is said on behalf of my alliance. I don't even get to claim I speak for the alliance, I don't even get to start wars, just win them. You seem to be intermixing FA and MA I know you have everyone not willing to use your propaganda gagged, along with everyone who has their own opinions And anyone who doesn't downvote for you (remind you of anyone?) But TI allows a little more personal freedom.

I've already said that I do not speak for Swamp or TI. Just a concerned citizen of the game that understands this is just an attempt to create a pity party for your own echo-chamber All your mention shows is that you have no counter to my argument

Ah yes, another "we'll continue to twist your words even after being proven wrong. " You are preaching to the choir, everyone sees right through your BS. Of course, because your unwarranted aggression has proven that that we should've just been open about us protecting eachother from getting rolled out of the game by Quack all along. /end sarcasm

Curbing is not Synonymous with countering. Countering is to do a similar action to match what someone else has done. Curbing is to take action against someone to stop them from doing something. All this proves is that Swamps growth was simply to attempt to match Quack's growth, as we have stated many times. I love when, while attempting to prove you wrong, they prove you right.

Have you considered that we'd be willing to co-exist with your size, like we all have for months, if you didn't start globals to "bait other spheres into war" as several leaders of Quack has said?

Duck Season in Orbis

At first I thought you 3 decided that you were ready to actually start your own bloc Now I'm Kinda disappointed Should rename this thread " GATO, TVT and UL decide to work together" Because that's all this really is to be honest.

In your OP you state " i'd like to open discussions on misconceptions that may exist between our respective alliances." Misconception is an understatement, I don't know what pushing you are talking about but Swamp definitely didn't need to push Quack into treating Camelot and anyone allied to them like 2nd class citizens for months after GW14, that was entirely your FA mistake, I also wonder how you think the always present threat of war is comparable to your bloc being a threat to the game itself. " your justification to grow swamp to Quack's size" we can talk about our justification when you provide any justification for remaining the size that you are. Meet us halfway instead of taking two steps backwards and calling us over to you.

Well I don't speak on behalf of either Swamp or even TI. But as mentioned before, if any other bloc in the game decided to kill another bloc, the rest of the game could still stop them even after that war ended. With regards to Quack, if even 12 hours after a blitz on another bloc you decided to try to kill that bloc, it would be unlikely we could stop you. Once your targets military is defeated you could fight the rest of the game while sitting on that enemy. Lastly , if TKR and T$ split their spheres when everyone else in the game expected them to do so and Swamp didn't, it would very rightfully be Swamp being hit by the rest of the game and not Quack.

10/10 ROH, welcome to the party

Just because you condem every player that doesn't do everything you say to not being a part of your community doesn't mean that this war is unfair anywhere but on paper. And we all know that.

Still a better damage ratio than Mythic/ Test Economic growth? How about 1000 players that almost all of whom are active and well stocked enough militarize in 4 days and obedient enough to declare nearly 2 offensive wars per nation?

My point being if you didn't make every other bloc feel threatened at one point you'd probably have gotten away with rolling one bloc like you originally planned Telling people you aren't going to hit them while others are also saying you are going to hit them doesn't make them feel reassured honestly for example quack knew about the coalition yet reassured Swamp you wouldn't hit us, what would have happened if Swamp sat out, you would have stuck to your word, just hit hedge and let the bloc actually mentioned in your leaks goes free?? Not a chance Changing the past to support your narrative now? TI-TKR-T$ was made to prepare for the very real threat of IQ winning GW14 and was ended on mutual interest. Ever since then Swamp has attempted to chase after your rapid growth so we could even remotely be in a position to challenge you ourselves if you tried to become a hegemony, and the rapid rate of which it became more and more inconceivable was noticed by everyone and acted upon. If even one bloc got rolled out of the game by you it would be too late for the rest combined to stop you by the time we noticed you were even trying and that's another problem entirely. You could pick and choose and bloc in the game to dissappear and it wouldn't turn Swamp into a hegemony, you pick any bloc except Quack itself and it would be. I think we are at an impasse on this ultimately, see you in our defensive wars 😉

You Can't pretend you didn't spend months telling Rose and Cam that you would roll them first day NAP end. Or that prominent Quack alliance leaders didn't openly tell Swamp that you simply don't consider us enough of a threat to roll since Gw14 Or that Hedge wasn't responsible for this coalition yet you blitzed them in a war that would've been even more Vastly in your favor if Swamp didn't join than the war is now. Or that if you didn't initiate the war it wouldn't have happened at all You aren't actually suggesting that Swamp got big before Quack right?

If you look at how many nations are actually fighting, 1029 v 776 last i checked and how many cities those nations all have it paints an entirely different picture On top of that if any one of the current blocs involved, weren't, it would also paint a drastically different picture of a so far relatively even fight

The IQ comparisons are overblown, nobody is being forced to quit. But at some point since the end of GW14 you have left every bloc wondering when (not if ) it will be their turn on the chopping bloc, similarly that if they don't do something now, nothing will be done when it's their turn, or even worse, that even if they do... it won't be enough. Is a good enough CB on its own. In addition I know on paper this is less 'even' than if either Swamp or Rose/Cam wasn't involved. But in practice this is probably the most Even this war could have been oriented, and you should really congratulate yourselves for that. but I think you knew that just as much as we did

I have a different disagreement than him, the main reason Swamp is the size it is currently is because of how large Quack has gotten.