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Hey everyone! We’re baaaaaaaaack. This time, we’ll be putting up the categories you guys nominated last week, along with some favorites from previous years, for you all to vote on. The already-included categories and the nominations, as well as a breakdown on the process as a whole, can be viewed here. As a note to you all, after we posted the thread last week, we noticed that we had the same category up twice SO that means that the top six categories you guys select will be added in, as opposed to the originally intended top five. You may select as many categories as you like, there is no limit. The poll will close automatically at midnight on December 18th. Happy voting!

You're implying that I read it, which I did not.

the moment i saw the title in the rss feed i knew who posted

I love how people with zero knowledge of the situation act like they do. We'd informed Swamp weeks ago we would be leaving, but nice try.

This...is not how wars end lmao

So it wasn't just me

Once again, a denial by a suspect/perpetrator (however you want to call it) is irrelevant when measured against conflicting narratives + overlapping admissions that contradict said denial. It's been proven and admitted that plans existed and approaches were made. That's enough as far as Quack's CB is concerned. Who specifically spoke to who when and where (as everyone is putting their hands up in public, going "WELL WASNT ME CHIEF") is irrelevant to our justification at this point, due to the approach *and treaties* having been admitted to have existed. You're free to continue your quest for the "truth", but given the pathway you have been taking toward it, I suspect you won't find it. Instead, you'll determine your own truth from what you'd like to hear and see.

Thanks for the clarification. Now we can argue about real stuff instead of making up your back story

I've heard of double posting but this is ridiculous Phoenyx.

Sphinx, we had been allied for quite a while. Paperless was always something we had in mind for the direction of the alliance, seeing as part of the high gov and the leader, are ex-pirates. It was an idea that we toyed with, coming to the conclusion that it would not materialise because we were allied to you and we greatly respected the relationship we had with tCW as a whole. And while we did like the idea of being paperless and going back to the old times we never had an 'incessant desire' for this at all (In fact we only had one offensive "war" in our 9 months as allies). We respected what we had with you, but it was clear this was not reciprocal after all we had been through, due to the fact you simply told us you were packing up and leaving to join your new friends in Swamp who were in turn making you drop us... exactly the situation we were in with you guys and CotL when we stuck with tCW fully well knowing we would be rolled and even though staying with CotL would have been tactically superior as we found their actions toward you guys dishonourable. Yes, you gave the proper 72 hours but beyond that the respect you gave to your second largest ally wasn't left to be desired after you ditched us with no prior warning. While we may not be as large as a factor within our new bloc, they have definitely done far more to help us in 2 months, than you ever did in 9.

Hi Fist... Its been awhile... was speaking to Felkey yesterday he sends his regards. I heard you were active again on the OWF, so I decided to drop by and see what all the fuss was about. Not trying to start any drama but I'm honestly curious why you're still referencing years old re-hashed IQ era attack pieces against various Quack gov members? Attacking Partisan is also something I find exceedingly amusing coming from you, since Parti is the sole reason your 2nd attempt at Pantheon managed to survive as long as it did. Since without that M level from t$ back in 2018, you'd have been ground into dust by EMC after what happened in that government coup. Even though t$ obviously wanted Pantheon as a meat shield, they still did you a massive favour back then. So I'm not really sure what they did to deserve all your venom which you've been given them as of late. Honestly mate, you probably should let this go and just move on. You're not really going to convince anyone with continual outbursts on the OWF. EDIT: Or why not come back to the game and become a pirate or something... Regardless though, hope IRL's treating you well. Hey Phoenyx, don't think we've ever spoken before (Assuming you aren't an Inst re-roll.). But I figured it might be worthwhile in providing you some context or information for you to sink your teeth into. However you decide to interpret this, is upto you. I've got no responsibilities since I've left the game so I can speak more frankly and openly (You're free to disregard what I say here. But as I've left the game there's no reason for me to lie about this. So this is entirely the truth from my perspective.). If you want to discuss things further with me, hit me up on Discord (Sphinx#0497) and I'd be happy to chat about whatever you wish. After global war 15, I took stock of the political landscape in-which we (tCW) emerged from. Our sphere had taken a pretty extensive drubbing, and so it was decided that trying to maintain a sphere outside the other 4 spheres would be non-viable (We were by a fairly large margin the smallest sphere in most metrics. With maybe total member count being 2nd smallest in front of Hedge. However Hedge's massive whale tier advantage more than offset that.). I reached out to Swamp because I had a previous history with several of them, I liked the way they conducted themselves during the war, and they had alliances values and motivations which aligned with our own. After a couple weeks of discussions we eventually come to an agreement and signed an M level with Swamp. Yes Quack was mentioned several times during those discussions. But nothing in them entailed mentions of coalitions or preventative planning against them. Yes its 100% true that, I viewed Quack a potential threat early on, mainly due to their weight of numbers, (Unlike Swamp, Quack's numbers were comprised of far more experienced rank and file and alliance leadership. Many of whom had been in over half a dozen global wars. Where as most of Swamp were barely even a year old.) extensive WC reserves, and a strong cohesion among the sphere. It was a pretty common observation that most people in the game felt Quack could take on 2 other spheres with ease and beat them pretty decisively. Whilst a viewed them as a threat, that does not imply I had any intention on attempting to challenge them. or facilitate the building of a coalition against them. As we had only recently finished another global war, we had no interest in embarking upon another anytime soon. What I said to Boyce, might give you that impression but you need to read it with the necessary context. Boyce and I have a long history together, we've known each other in this game for several years (Which does only make him leaking stuff even more disgraceful IMO), he made it know to me that he also viewed Quack pretty poorly and blamed them for scapegoating TEst post NPOLT as a cause to drop their Protectorate. He often times spoke rather negatively of Quack and expressed to me on numerous occasions his hope in being able to take on Quack, or at least helping in getting them rolled, or his hope that t$/TKR would split. (I purged my chat history with him in late October, but I made copies of what was said for posterity.) Simply put, from my last few months of chat with Boyce (March, 2020 - October 2020. He always spoke of Quack in negative terms.) After global war 15, Boyce came to me and discussed his ideas for having TEst go paperless akin to what Wei had done. We discussed the topic a bit, and it genuinely seemed like something which TEst really wanted to do, however the one thing which was holding them back and which they had concerns over the was the idea of going paperless and thus not wanting to leave us as allies. TEst's incessant desire for raiding and wars eventually grew to weight heavily on us, and combined with the fact that TEst's government leaks were a major reason for Swamp being convinced to join Hedge in attacking us in global war 15. Meant that our relationship as allies was untenable. As TEst had already expressed its hope in wanting to become a paperless alliance, I felt that us joining Swamp and dropping TEst would be a mutual break up, and from Boyce's first reactions it seemed to be rather amicable. My mention of us joining TEst against Quack should a potential coalition materialise was a direct reference to the grievances Boyce held towards Quack, something which I mistakenly though rather little of at the time. Regardless of any coalition forming, it was something which I would envisaged us not being in any position to join until at least well into late 2021, if at all. Since at the time I had far more cause for war against various figures in the coalition against Quack, than I did with any alliance within Quack. Now if Quack maintained its massive size and other spheres continued to beat each other up, then that might be a cause for additional concern. But that's projecting things well into the distant future, the main thing you can take from this Phoenyx, is I had no interest or plans to attack Quack. Now with that said its been made aware to me that SRD among others in the coalition made reference to previously unknown talks between Rose, Hedge and/or Swamp forming a coalition against Quack. Putting aside the fact that several of them especially in Hedge would refuse to work with us under our previous leadership. I knew of no discussions about attacking Quack. If Hedge was reaching out to Swamp and Rose, then it was something which we weren't apart of. I haven't read far enough into the story you're trying to argue. But I can't really help you with uncovering this supposed "HM leaker" which I've noticed you mentioning a lot. What I can say is, If the Boyce leaks never happened and Hedge/Swamp/Rose were able to attack Quack en-mass. Then in those circumstances I'd be extremely unlikely if at all, that tCW and its direct allies would be involved against them. Much like Hedge refusing to deal with tCW under my leadership, I'd never accept working with Hedge under any circumstances either. In fact if Quack only attacked Hedge and reached out to me before the war, I'd more willing to join them against Hedge than I would be against Quack. However, tCW is under new leadership and I have no interest to try and influence things over there, so whatever they choose to do now its their call. From what I hear Putmir is doing a very good job, so I'm glad I picked him as my successor. I don't really have any plans to return to the game, at least anytime soon. But I'm certainly glad I'm not dealing with this game's drama anymore as it was far too time intensive than I could afford. I might be back in the future, but for now its rather unlikely. For the record, I do sympathise with Quack's position. As I made it clear to several of their leaders in DM's since I quit. I find it rather hypocritical of various parties to parrot their claims of hegemonies in a public environment, when in private they maintain paperless connections. Still all the best Quack in the peace talks. EDIT: Now Phoenyx, would that suffice in giving you enough materiel for half a dozen new forum threads? /s Oh and regarding the stuff you mentioned about gag orders. Its perfectly reasonable for any alliance to want to keep a united front. Having people speculating on various causes or arguing with allies never turns out well. Its nothing to do with trying to stifle free-speech or cover up things. Its just a normal function of government. If you had issues with CB's or why you're fighting for something you take it up with your alliance. What you were doing on the OWF, when you were in TFP would've caused red flags in all major alliances. The gag orders I imposed on my members when I ran TCW, were always related specifically to that, and it never stopped members from expressing in alliance chat freely their thoughts or views on our current engagements. If you don't believe me regarding my commitment to member free speech, consider that during NPOLT's last time, Curufinwe or Roquentin claimed I was "undermining the unity of the coalition" by refusing to censor Kalev and my other members who posted in the OWF. Granted they wanted Kalev and the others to not post on the OWF entirely. But Kalev despite being an self proclaimed troll knew well enough to never post stuff which might harm his alliance, and contradicting your alliance's messages can more harmful than you might think. To rehash an old WW2 Allied propaganda slogan, "Loose lips sink ships". Hey Benny..... I didn't know Smith's moved on as well. He was always an excellent representative of the style of TKR's community, its sad to see him go. But I do hope he's getting RL things sorted out now. Since leaving this game I got all the remainder of my Thesis prep work finished, and a bunch of pressing RL problems sorted out more or less, so I hope he can tackle whatever's on his plate as well. Apologies for typos or other errors that might be present in this spiel.... its late when I wrote this.

Following up on my response on this thread here, I wanted to expand on that proposal presented there. Pinging @Zephyr, @Hime-sama, and @Jangles because of their participation in that discussion/interest in this suggestion. Currently, there's a max of 250 games that can be played/day before income drops off to 10% and that doesn't discriminate between home and away games. If someone has a completely maxed out team and stadium and is playing against someone with a maxed out team and stadium, they can make approximately $22,000/game on average. If someone has an active partner to play with, they can play around four games a minute on average. So, roughly $5,500,000/day can be earned playing baseball and it would take roughly an hour, give or take, to do so, assuming there were no breaks/distractions. All math and figures can be seen in this spreadsheet here, in case anyone would like to review my numbers. The majority of the initial discussion was about how to make baseball more accessible so my thought that the best way to do so without removing the usefulness of it for many players who do use it regularly already would be to increase the amount earned per game while proportionally decreasing the number of games that can be played per day before the income drops to 10%. This would also have the benefit of lessening the impact of any potential autoclickers/evening the playing field with those that don't use them. In the table below, I show what some of this scaling might look like and about how long it would take to max out games using the same assumptions as above. Max # of Games Max/Game Minutes to Max 250 $22,000 63 200 $27,500 50 150 $36,667 38 100 $55,000 25 50 $110,000 13 Looking at this information, I'd probably suggest using either 150 or 100 games as the max and scaling the income to match. In my own opinion, I think 150 games before income drops off is likely the most ideal balance between making it too easy and encouraging more participation from additional players but a case could be made for 100 as well. Furthermore, I would also recommend changing which games count towards the total before the income drop takes effect from all games to only home games, as money is not largely earned from away games except through tips, which they'd earn regardless, and doing so would foster more participation instead of encouraging people to not play aways for others because they don't want to lose their income from home games.

No. We can't agree to that in the slightest. At this point the reason the war started does not matter even a tiny bit. Discussing who said what or who was going to do what does not matter with regards to peace. If anything getting bogged down in that kind of discussions will make the war drag out longer. Peace will come once the leaders of the respective alliances agree to it. It will probably end in something close to white peace with probably a NAP and some other minor terms. Exactly when it will happen depends on whether one of the sides decide that they want to drag the war out a bit longer to cause more damage. If they do, it'll likely last between a few more weeks to a month. If not, I would expect peace before Christmas. I base this on years of experience with how peace negotiations in this game and similar games work.

I wasn't necessarily intending to, just trying to dispel any misinformation about the ordeal. We'll have more to say about our future plans when those are further defined and ready. But I will say this, TI/TFP did inform Swamp leadership of our intentions to leave post-war a couple weeks ago - they were caught off-guard and disappointed we'd made that decision and were frustrated by our lack of transparency/communication around and since that decision, which is understandable. There's no reason to go into it further than that though. I don't have anything bad to say about Swamp and certainly wouldn't do so publicly. There's a lot of good people there and from my end, I'm happy to have worked with them and appreciate what we'd done together.

No. Seven posts back to back is just actually ridiculous.

You have it backwards. In reality, it was "No, you're not quitting because I'm firing you!".

Sorry about that - this issue should be fixed now!

I am attempting to form a new alliance. The 5 day timer has passed (was in previous alliance for 9 days). When I try to create the alliance I am met with the following error. However, the only flags i have attempted to use are the default flags. I have tried changing them to other default flags with the same result.

Yeah guys, the war on Dark Skies. Apparently, The Coral, The Seraphim, Atlanta Council and The Weigh all declared war on Dark Skies. I feel sorry for those guys....

I don't think he said that, he just said it was a reason as to why he was fearful of Quack.

You must have a secret identity as a Professor of Ancient History in Sydney. Since they also feel I don't break my paragraphs up enough. ;,p Granted I do get carried away a bit. Believe it or not but it use to be much worse. Back when I was in High School I was known on the odd occasion for writing a paragraph per page.... ;v

You know the rules, Fisty. You want an opinion on the forums, you gotta come back to the game. Pantheon may be looking for a new leader. I do have to point out, taking shots at Partisnek isn't a good way to get T$ to protect you again. Just a friendly piece of advice. Jesus, Sphinx, paragraph spacing was invented for a reason, or has the technology not made it that far south yet?

Removing 2 of the strongest alliances in the sphere during a war. Seems like a pretty brain dead move imo. At least wait till the war concludes before making moves like that.

Since I pretty much invented the idea of offshore, and founded Yarr for that purpose, I offer the following suggestion to fix the problem that it now represents. When I left Yarr, we had over 60 bil in cash alone. All that needs to happen is that when a bank officer is blockaded, he or she cannot access the bank screen or make any transactions. This will still enable the process to work, but make it possible to disrupt its function...

--- I am happy to announce that Adrienne has agreed to come on as a guest for tomorrow night's episode of Thalmor Radio. I plan on interviewing her about her time in the game and her experience as leader of TKR. Havgle has also agreed to come on, and will be on for the December 18th episode. I will be interviewing him about the war against Dark Skies. Thalmor Radio is P&W's only weekly radio show. Hosted on Thalmoria (formerly Factory Fresh Media), we go live on Discord every Friday night at 9 PM EST. With myself as the host and with Zig as co-host, we talk about the game, share our half-baked takes, and have a good time. I would also like to announce ahead of time that I will be doing a Christmas show on the 25th (which falls on a Friday). Official invite: https://discord.gg/rcnJYAv Thalmor Radio Recordings: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr5zXOgj1AEVtX3OIsK7ZA/videos

well it does keep the forums alive you can't deny that

After weeks of spying, UPN can now release actual footage of the superweapon Quack were relying on to end the conflict in testing.

This thread just keeps getting better and better

FIRST

We're focused on the quantity because the quality is also trash. So we have to scroll through 7 shitty posts, not just 1.

As good an idea as this is, there's no way people are budging on offshores. Imagine a world where wars had consequence and people had to risk more than cheap infra. Now stop because you're imagining a much better game than PnW currently is. Why make a good game when you can continue into slow-growth farmville and stagnation.

Nah, 7 ish posts is actually ridiculous. Especially since some of them are only like one paragraph and could very well just have been included in another posts. Frankly, it comes across as poor ability to structure them.

If you think TI was going to kick all 5 of these out by themselves, then you're more delusional than you've already proven yourself to be. TI clearly underestimated the bonds the other alliances share.

Ah, my bad. I wasn't aware something like this was already a thing

The sky was bright, the sea was blue, a calm and peaceful day When that boy came to the door and took my love away The Captain's call, the call to war, I pleaded, begged, dismayed My love left me late at night, he was unconvinced to stay The wives and women of these men stood waiting by the sea Waiting, screaming, crying out to watch our lovers leave As the ships unfurled their burly masts, the birds startled did flee I could not express in words what would be lost to me The shriek of cries, of dying men rang out in mid November I could see the dying boys at night, their faces I'll always remember The flashes of light the sea was red it was glowing like an ember The war looked like it would drag on, at least until December I dreamed of death my lover drowning, laying with fishes on The Reef I feared of his soul being lifted by Angels, I cried and wallowed in grief I feared that he'd lose his Wei, no Compass packed in his sheaf I wept and begged that Atlantis would not steal him like a thief I do not know how my lover did die, how he met his demise I do not know of the evil men that required our boys to arise To fight a war we did not want, a foe that slept in disguise I only wish to meet them as friends under these dark Black Skies. The following alliances have signed peace and have agreed to 45 day (or paperless) NAPs: For Anti-Black Skies Coalition & Company: The Archangels Atlantian Council The Wei TheNorthWesternSouthRegionofthefarEast Mandalore Genesis For Black Skies & Company: Black Skies Arrgh In Memoriam: The Reef We hold no ill will towards the combatants of this war. While it was sloppy for both sides we've taken great leaps in learning our strengths and weaknesses and will work towards a better and brighter future. o/

That's why your alliance gagged him.

I for one am waiting anxiously for your in depth analysis into this change in the political landscape. What do you think happened, Phoenyx?

as it stands now, wind power is not even a remotely cost effective way to power your nation, the only times that having any wind power at all is cost effective is at 2250 and 4250 infra, and even then only as a single supplemental plant, with the bulk of your power coming from nuclear. Here is my proposed change to wind power, open to suggestions and tweaks, to make it not the "new meta" but still a viable option. Wind power plants can provide power for up to 250 infrastructure per 500 land. [Powered infra=250×(land/500)] They do not require resources to operate. Operational costs are $1000×(land/500) a day $8×land This would require you to maintain either 2 wind plants, or double land to power your city. Alternatives & tweak suggestions: •400 infra per 1000 land (this would require more plants/land to power the same infra levels) • a cap at the maximum amount a plant can provide (as well as a cap on operational cost reflecting this) •Base cost for wind plants might need to be increased. •operational cost formula changed to ($8×land) (I realized after posting how low my initial operation cost formula is, as i was grossly underestimating nuclear plants' relative usage costs and not factoring their operational cost costs, so this operational cost formula change is my official position on it now)

I like the concept, I dont like the execution. And I apologize for not having the time to offer a different execution.

Was gonna say this^, would much rather have a dusty themed list of defaults then a community themed list.

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