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Fist please come back so we can roll you again. Until then, shut up man lmaooooo What? did people send you here to derail the thread? This is Trump-level dodging.

I really don't want to interfere in this discussion, but, 0 wars lost says a lot about you, and it is not positive.

Man, you know you’re off the rails when even kastor tells you stop. 😂

I thought you where better at FA then this =/ My argument to you has been: "I think it would be foolish of Swamp to continue to discuss this topic with you, when you have been arguing in such bad faith this entire time. If you want to understand their reasons for the war, they have gone into them in great detail already. I dont see how them giving you more opportunity to twist things would be appropriate or in their interests" And you have failed to even try to dispute it. You just dodge And you just gave more supporting evidence for my claim with your recent lies heh. You are trying to redefine an argument you have never disputed* LOL. What is wrong with my claim? Or is it accurate, and that is why you keep dodging it. The 2nd part of your argument is an ad hom: My musings on TKRs echo chamber's you did try to argue however, and that I countered with their behavior in the peace talks. After that it's been silence. Do you disagree with that statement I made, do you think did TKR handle them in such a manner that did not piss off the opposing coalition? This is basic stuff parti boy. Please, please tell me you passed on the sock...

So the way this usually goes fist, is that you bring foward evidence -logs, screenshots etc- or, failing that, a logical and consistent narrative, to support your claims. You have done neither. Your posturing and insult-slinging is rendered ineffectual by your utter lack of coherence. You have brought forward nothing but an opinion based on your misremembrances of 2-3 years old events that have no bearing on the leadup to this war. You are neither a credible source, nor a relevant party to the political machinations that culminated in the coalition against quack being prepared. Ergo, you are not going to be dignified with an in-depth response. I will wait for Swamp to bring forward anything of note.

>"TKR sphere in ontrack to the special Olympics gold yet again!" Seriously dude, grow the hell up and get off the forums. You're not even an active member of this game, so why you felt the need to come on here, spew out a bunch of garbage and inappropriate insults at TKR, trying to justify them being rolled out of the game is beyond me. Frankly, your legacy in this game is ghastly and you're just making yourself look even more foolish, move on. You don't have an ounce of credibility.

Jeez dude.... whats with all the salt y'all throwing around. Come on man, war is fun, war is the point of the game. This is all for shits and giggles, don't get all riled up over some game where you're supposed to have fun. If you earnestly wanted a discussion you could've DMed Swamp leaders, although I'm 99% sure you've already been given the reason and you just wanna be an ass about it. (smh alex why the swear filter) Also if you don't like this post don't scream at your members to downvote thanks. also nice meme @Grave

I do understand where Mayor is coming from, although it's am individual issue as Adrienne mentioned. Back when I cared about this terrible game I still play somehow, there were a few things that bothered me, the main one being a few alliances always getting away with it and claiming moral superiority despite being what was called at the time (and rightly so) "world police". After all it was a 2 year long hegemony and even tho pirates (I was one myself) make their income via raiding, TKR did try to roll Arrgh out of the game, which after months they realized wasn't possible. Arrgh just play the game like they enjoy it, doing something that would obviously be deplorable in real life. In a browser game it's not immoral, I don't see all those FPS players for instance getting shat on by how immoral it is to murder pixel people. And frnakly I find much more disgusting trying to claim some moral righteousness while playing the FA game like any other major alliance. Alliances aren't supposed to be nice, they're supposed to do what's best for them. That's what TKR did, and good for them. However, the consistent dogpiles (and particularly relentless on pirates who were put on their perma-raid list) rubbed some people the wrong way, myself in particular since I didn't even dislike TKR, the community seemed chill and I really liked (actually still do) IC, who was a terrific leader as well. Now I'm no saint, but TKR got cocky with their power, so much so that they started using Arrgh as their crash test dummies for military training. And I'm not judging. When I did care about the game, and for instance returned toi Arrgh, I was insta-raided by TKR. And while usually that flies, the insistence just pushed me to get them rolled back then. And that's what I did: I brought Pre back to the game to reform TEst and, being the FA goat that he is, he managed to get Partisan and Roq to join forces in the coalition that resulted in TKR's 1st ever dogpile. Which the game desperately needed since they had a disgustingly big upper tier hegemony with the likes of Grumpy, TCW and Guardian, last 2 had signed an MD level treaty just days before the war, showing they had no intention of splitting up. And while that hegemony was in no way as dangerous to the game as what IQ tried to pull off, it was stagnating it badly, which forced the rest of the game to join forces to drag the sphere down, as even tho we had way more members, a substantial part wasn't even able to hit them. My point being: as long as you don't abuse game mechanics like IQ did by recruiting all those virgins who just wanted a body pillow of some anime grill, you're not better nor worse than any other alliance. All do what's best for them, but sometimes power and cockiness end up being the reason of a hegemony's downfall, which ins't the case here since t$ and TKR kept a low profile and were forward about their tie, which as I stated earlier is not how you create a hegemony today till the blob is big enough. You're always gonna create a perception on the losers, for instance I thought Roz Wei was even more "wronged" than Arrgh since the latters do raid indiscriminately and Roz never did. And that's what matters at the end of the day - you win based on the choices you make, but sometimes there's consequences. Every alliance tries to do the best for them, and that's how it's supposed to be. I think every alliance needs to get rolled once in a while, it shows who the good members and the fluff are, it improves the alliance and the mindset of the membership, who learns to respect the opponents when they lose as they know how it feels. I'd like to add that obviously dogpiles aren't fun (I'd argue they're more fun, war mechanics wise, for the targets, while the rest get much less action). Infra is meant to be burned, which is why I'm a 29 city nation who's never gone over 2k infra per city. I don't particularly like when alliances get punished relentlessly, which is why I actually dislike seeing TKR getting rolled again after so many losing wars. They've had their share, and in particular Adrienne was deal a fricking horrible hand while she led TKR, and the fact that she managed to keep the alliance together shows how good of a leader she was, kinda like Yui who was always dealing with crap at Pantheon. Sorry for the essay. TLDR: losing / getting rolled once in a while makes an alliance better, there's no good and bad guys, every powerful alliance tries to succeed at all cost within game mechanics, every (not so recent) major alliance has been rolled, has dogpiled, and has created animosity. That's how it's supposed to be. Ideally we'd have balanced wars, but everyone tries to get as much help as possible, which is why main alliance mindset turns me off but at the same time I respect the work it takes to make them succeed. PS: whoever is doing it, please stop trying to pretend an aggressive / defensive strike wasn't prepared for Quack. I know how coalition warfare works, the fact that counters were instant and organized (with alliance pairings perfectly allocated) shows there was collaboration prior, people should start owning up to their wars, In this case, it was "hit or be hit" for Quack.

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It's really becoming clear at this point, when TS/TKR cant win an argument, they just try to bully you out LOL This is pathetic. I dont like the NPO, I always had a grudge against them from CN, more dishonest BS from T$ =/. I fortunately dont spend any time playing video games Though Cyberpunk 2077 will be the one I break my long fast for

Can we take a moment to step away from arrgh and admire the hypocrisy of this DoW? I feel it's gone under-noticed.

James, our personal contact has been limited since March. You, nor your concerns were on my or t$' radar until it was brought to me that you were apparently going off on some radio show. So I inquired with the leader of swamp (who was also my main TI contact) about TI's position. If that was a personal slight, then uhh...tough luck. You keep stating that 'we did nothing to combat the narrative", but frankly, that's a blatant falsehood. It was t$ and TKR who initiated the conversation about being too big back when the t$-TKR-TI trifecta was leftover after last war. I recall vividly the conversations we had with Tyrion, trying to figure out what to do. It was TI's preference to remain aligned with TKR and t$, and it was TKR/t$ who demanded cuts to the sphere in order to not become a bloated blob. Not you. Ultimately we could not find enough common ground due to your (rather understandable) unwillingness to part with old allies. We respected your loyalty to them, and when you created swamp, we wished you the best of luck. Why did you not show even a hint of the same concern for game health you pretend to have now? Similarly, Swamp was perfectly fine pretending quack was no problem to it in order to play up the supposed threat of rose with the hopes of t$-Rose going at it. You only joined the quack man bad chorus after you had grown your sphere, established ties with HM and hooked TCW. So yes, we're sceptical of your convictions. Particularly after your ally has backstabbed us, and particularly after you have spent the better part of a year playing what appears to be a two-faced game with us. But surely we did no do enough to alleviate "your concerns". We....aren't hyping nation count? Our assessments are literally based on nations per tier. And yes, based on nations per tier ( @Theodosiusor @Cooper_ do you want to educate?), we are definitely not the hegemon you made us out to be.

(Disclaimer, about you[r opinion]. in general. No one cares.)

Oh Ben, you dont know what an Ad hom actually is do you.... It isn't simply using profanity or calling people names LOL. It is attacking the person instead of the argument. If someone has a bad argument, it isn't fallacious logic to call them dumb after you have properly dealt with it LOL. If I where to just call you stupid, that would be a ad hom. If combat your argument and expose that you dont know what an ad hom actually is, and call you stupid after, that's not an ad hom, heh. How do you not know this basic stuff? I mean, if you or anyone else is buying into parti's blatant lies and BS narratives, it's on them LOL. You guys just keep saying such stupid shit XD I feel sympathy for what I saw in the other thread for some people falling prey to fallacious logic, but here, this is something else heh I do feel sad about the state of TS though, it really used to be something special in my eyes, but it's member base seems to be teeming with abominable and derpy people now =/ It's culture seems to have gone in a very bad direction, and these people here on the forums are well bellow the standards we had in Pantheon when I lead it, it's a shame to see it like this.

T$'s culture really did go to shit while Ive been out =/. I cant say I saw this thread going this way

Not before the war lol. That happened after the war started, when we kept hearing rumors that BK was looking to hit one or both of us while at war. That's worlds away from making a defensive pact before there is ever a war or making a coalition in advance, which is what INH is referring to.

This is true. So true. Entirely true. Could be nothing but true 🤣 Also sup man. Long time! Is it -3 or -5 stability for defending without a CB again? Apologies, I forget.

First off, fricking @ me if you're gonna bring me up lmfao Even with my activity at minimums to collect the fricking daily bonus, I'll always live in your heads It's not my fricking fault your friends over at Camelot: @Epi @Azazel @King Arthur @Aero and whoever the frick are able to be shook by some random reroll that didn't even fricking participate in the last fricking wars There are years and years of history on these forums with my fricking username on it showing that a gag order can't stop me from making a fool of you guys LMFAO

Can you please not declare on me? There's already a Syndicate attacking me (and a TKR). If you want to boast the damages your sphere did they have already given me 2 nukes, 2 more coming and taken like 4k infra so it's unnecessary to fight me more compared to find another inflated infra nation, plus I have 0.00 money to raid and want to be able to rebuild which won't threaten you because I never have and never will declare on anyone. I just build myself. It breaks my heart. I've not declared on one person and I don't care about any spheres agenda, even if I'm in an enemy AA. I've had this nation over a year and this might not stop you from attacking since nobody else has been swayed as I repeat it but in the past three days I've been nuked twice, lost 2k infra, you are the fourth declaration and I declared on nobody, I've built myself over this last year to watch it fall in a week when I did nothing. Right now my mood is really chill but I kinda switch in a seconds notice and when that happens the rage I feel if these declarations is infinite.

Binge watching the newest anime of the season, the weebs were too busy sitting on their couches eating taiyaki while the war on Orbis raged. "Hmm... wasn't Putmir and the others supposed to be here with us? They was supposed to bring the dango... where'd they go?" The dango was gone, stolen by the big bad Quacks as they held our dear friends captive. This was not to be tolerated, and taking inspiration from what we had watched on TV, the weebs have decided this: We NEETs will no longer live in the darkness. We will stand to defend our precious snacks (and friends too). We might be late to the party, but now that we're here, Let the show begin! TL;DR : Weebunism declares war on anyone at war against tCW.

Radicalization Of Investment.

Wait did you seriously accuse any of us of ad hom attacks after you have continually evaded the swear filters and referenced us competing in the Special Olympics multiple times? Go pound sand somewhere, dude. Or message @Alex about turning off your VM timer so at least you can participate in the game instead of running away from us all.

Fist this is not having the effect you think it’s having man. Please, just go 😭😭😭

I can confirm. As a matter of fact, Chaos was unwilling to hit either sphere w/KETOGG, and when asked about what if of one of the spheres hitting us, they had said something to the tune of "We'll weigh in the situation and then decide whether to assist or not." (for clarification's sake, this being before Surf's Up had started). Which is actually far more in line with the spirit of minispheres (well, multispheres at this point), than the empty preaching thereof whilst simultaneously covertly engaging in practices which entirely undermine it's foundations which we've seen happen as of late.

For anything lasting longer than 4 hours, you should see your doctor.

Zig makes friends fast, what can you say? Live Hard, Love Hard.

Most of these memes I made for RON...

It was the Knightfall peace talks. It was the largest series of fa blunders Ive ever seen, adri straight up wouldn't even show up to talks she scheduled in it LOL. TKR has always been a strong contender in these forum special Olympics, it's sad to see some people in T$ trying to get a spot on the podium as well LOL My points in this thread have been succinct, and when I gave a recounting of the events of Kayser's firing, it was not in a aimless or wild fashion. I moved from one peice of information to the next, in chronological order My words clearly do not meet the definition of a rant or rambling. If these concepts confuse you, you may just be derpy. If you have graduated any level of schooling, I think it's clear you have received a fraudulent education. Definition of ramble (Entry 1 of 2) intransitive verb 1a : to move aimlessly from place to place rambled through the little town b : to explore idly After one rambles through the maps for a time … some overall impressions begin to emerge.— John Noble Wilford 2a : to talk or write in an aimless, erratic, and often long-winded fashion The hunk starts to ramble on and on, and the women seem quite annoyed. — Monk Magazine b : to be related or written in a long-winded or wandering fashion a story that rambles verb verb: rant; 3rd person present: rants; past tense: ranted; past participle: ranted; gerund or present participle: ranting speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way. "she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"

You formed a bloc, joined the war late with full militaries and stockpiles, decided to target AE who is already fighting 5 alliances, and didn't even blitz?

This post, unlike many others on the forums, aged well.

Expectation: Reality:

... @camelot come get your man

I don't know how combining with an overwhelming force for a second time really counts as atonement but nice try though. At least you're relatively self-aware enough to know you need to atone, even if you have no idea how to effectively do it.

Fist makes Inst look good in comparison lmao. Go suck NPO’s teet in whatever other game they’re infesting now, as you’re clearly not playing this one.

lol he has a rapidly shrinking audience for these worthless insights then.

Who the hell are you lot?

I approve what this fury says

Lets talk about something that didn't happen 10 years ago, I am grumpy and live to talk about thing that happened back in the day, but even I can barely remember that thing.

We don't really care about the whole hegemony thing. We just didn't like seeing daddy putmir getting picked on 😛 We're the only ones who can bully him 🙃

I just reran the numbers by sphere. I also updated some of the alliances involved, so the numbers changed marginally. Swamp is the largest sphere by a non-minor margin (roughly 40% of HM ahead as a comparison). They alone out-tier us in everything below C21 and above C35. Anyways, I'm around for more data-driven discussion. My inner Nate Silver is just waiting to come out! Hello, Akuryo! Pleasure to make your acquaintance. The narrative you're throwing out here isn't correct. We have logs as Partisan previously posted for everyone to see. We were going to get hit by y'all, and it wasn't really a secret y'all had been gunning for us for months (probably since the beginning of the NAP). Maybe it's my memory playing tricks on me, but I sure remember starting the NAP with a bang with folks from your sphere starting hegemony narratives right off the bat. And then we had months of rumors coming out of nowhere talking about Quack's plans to hit enemy spheres, which somehow never materialized. We were privy to a lot of information, much of it was probably suitable for a declaration of war. The months of spinning y'all had going didn't fall on deaf ears, and I find this to be important context which you don't reference. But if only one point gets through, this was was going to happen either way. We've confirmed that all parties were planning on entering in November as the logs say. To say anything else is a lie, and you know that. Only thing we did here was choose how the war went down. We were expecting Swamp to counter, and I was looking forward to it. I thought a Swamp/HM war with Quack would've been loads of fun and relatively even with asymmetric tiering advantages. Alas, one can hope. I suppose one can also appreciate the irony of an anti-hegemony "hedgemoney" starting two dogpile wars in a row. Anyways I think you'd get better responses if you were nicer to people. Spreading the toxicity of the OWF isn't a good thing. I feel like every time I log on to this god-forsaken place I see you yelling at someone and having no patience for anyone who might disagree with you. It's a game y'know, and being rude to people doesn't make it anymore fun.