Leaderboard

Hey Guys, I think it is time for me to break my silence and begin to talk about what's going on. I'm not here to talk about the allegations BK has / is making because to me there not important to me. I am here to discuss my change in perspective and why i began to have a growing dislike of NPO, BK and IQ overall. After being a member of “IQ” for around 2 years I became friends with everyone and so on, most of the people there are pretty lit OOC and i like them however IC is a different story. So as the logs Kas has been getting / leaking have shown (more recently today) the focus of IQ isn't “hurt” or to“win”, the focus is to “cripple” and or “kill” alliances. Continually this war Leo, Roq, Keshav have mocked and have been “happy” when alliances died. Keshav has even stated he would be happy if Carth and OWR died. Leo has already tried to force 1 person out of the game and now me. To me this is NOT ok, forcing people to quit the game borders as OOC, driving people out is not something people should want, this is a game where there is NOT meant to be a “winner”, the balance of power should be shifting consistently. The fact IQ is wanting to kill / cripple alliances should show everyone NPO & BK don't care about communities, they don't care about their allies communities, and they don't care about the game. The ideal game for them is where they can roll a few alliances easily every so often and never loose. We are quickly becoming a CN clone and people have to find a way to stop it. Then we have the fact of AD, TFP, Carth, OWR being hit post war, in reality they were never a threat to IQ (or did anything wrong apart from leave), essentially BK / NPO wanted revenge for them leaving the war, and they want to set a precedent that they will attack you if you leave. Rather than rely on loyalty and trust, the relationship between BK / NPOand their smaller allies is fear. From private conversations with a lot of colo b members, they don't want to be in the war, they don't like or condone what BK / NPO are saying but are afraid to speak out or do anything. A quick message to Fark, do you really think your safe? IQ hit everyone that left the war, their former allies of less than weeks over anger. How do you think this story is going to end for you, i'll tell you… your going to get the same treatment as everyone in colo a. In reality they can easily hit you WHENEVER they want, all they have to do is say “Oh you accepted war dogers, nap is void”. If you think for a moment they wouldn't do that, look at what they did to past allies. I highly advise you to take a stand against them before it's too late for you and your allies. To alliance apart of Colo B, just speak up, there is enough of you to force BK / NPO to back down. Yes they are powerful and yes they may threaten you, but if everyone speaks up at once, they will be backed into a corner. They can not win this war without everyone, you can help change the game before its too late. Don't do it for me, do it for YOUR alliance and your COMMUNITY! To the members of BK, GoG, tCW, Cam, AK, ect, ect, if you enjoy the game and the community you are apart of, you can also speak up, forcing people out of the game won't help you have fun, it will make the game even more boring and slow, causing your alliance mates to leave as well. The current leadership of your alliances are allowing the destruction of the game for no reason other than to ensure they never lose and to fulfill their own personal vendettas. Finally, I want to apologize to everyone, looking back im a little annoyed at how I looked at the game, while I never ever wanted alliances to die I did help fuel the machine. So sorry for that! However to BK, I will not be forced out of the game, I will be an annoying prick until the day I choose to leave or you choose to leave me be. This post is a call of arms to everyone, IQ needs to be put down once and for all or be neutered to be a “normal” power, don't wait until it's too late. Edit: This should explain alot of what im referring to

I've played this game for 5 years, mostly for the sense of community that I got from all of the alliances that I was in. This war spits in the face of all of that. It is clear and obvious that NPO, IQ, whatever you want to call them, just wants to drive me and others out of this game, simply because of what alliance we have chosen. Why NPO and IQ? Why do you care so much about driving other alliances out of the game? It's a damn game, get over the fact that you have only ever won one world conflict. Move on, end this conflict gracefully, what more do any of us have to gain by dragging out this conflict. I'm simply fed up. I can't accurately explain exactly how I feel about this entire thing, and I know that this post will either be ignored, or laughed at by people in the other coalition, but damn I have held this shit in for way too long. No matter how much I might want to quit to get away from the toxicity that is developing, I wont, simply because I hope that things can go back to how they used to be, and because I really don't want to leave the community my alliance has crafted. End the war.

underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:31 PM Article I - Official Surrender 1. The alliances of Arrgh, Church of Spaceology, Empyrea, The Fighting Pacifists, The Golden Horde, Grumpy Old Bastards, Guardian, Oblivion, The Knights Radiant, Knights Templar, Rose, Seven Kingdoms, Silenzio, Soup Kitchen, and Valinor (hereafter referred to as “Anti-Memesphere”) must provide an official admission of defeat to New Pacific Order, Orange Defense Network, Black Knights, Afrika Korps, Mythic, The Commonwealth, Goon Squad, GOONS, Camelot, Acadia, Dark Brotherhood, Guardians of the Galaxy, United Purple Nations, United Socialist Nations, Solar Knights, Yakuza, The Hanseatic League, Strickland Propane, Guinea Pig Whaling Corp, and Polaris (hereafter referred to as “Memesphere”). This will be done through individual sphere announcements on the Foreign Affairs subforum of the P&W forums or through separate announcements. 2.The announcement, as described in Article I section 1, must be made public within 24 hours of Anti-Memesphere agreeing to the terms of this treaty. a. All Chaos Bloc Alliances of Anti-Memesphere must include a statement recognizing that their CB was outdated and therefore invalid b. All KETOG Alliances of Anti-Memesphere must include a statement recognizing that there was no conspiracy to attack them and that they maliciously twisted the meaning of the leak and therefore their CB is invalid c. Rose must admit that they only joined the war because they thought they were bandwagoning in on an easy win and that they had no CB whatsoever underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:37 PM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:37 PM(edited 11/2/2019, 4:21:46 PM) Article II - Cessation of hostilities 1. Once the Terms of Article I and any other sections of this treaty that specify that they must be completed before a cessation of hostilities have been fulfilled, no new wars are to be declared between members of Memesphere and Anti-Memesphere. 2. In the event a new war is declared it will be peaced out immediately and treble damages must be paid by the aggressors alliance to the defenders. 3. No new wars are to be declared by Memesphere and Anti-Memesphere against the protectorates of the opposing side, once the Terms of Article II in this treaty have been fulfilled. Likewise, no new wars are to be declared by the protectorates. 4. In order to avoid new war declarations once the Terms of Article II in this treaty have been fulfilled, alliances that are aligned to either coalition, (e.g. 1-nation alliances with the task of hiding banks), and have no official treaties with that coalition, have to: a. either merge back into their original alliance; b. or get a Protectorate pact (in-game mechanic) with an alliance; c. or explicitly state in their alliance description their relation with their parent alliance. In this case, the parent alliance also has to explicitly state in the corresponding alliance description its relation with that specific alliance. 5. All wars that are still active after the cessation of hostilities can either end with defeat, expiration or peace agreement at the discretion of the nations involved in such wars. 6. Any alliances directly affected by this treaty which change their official name or merge with another alliance in the future will still be bound by all terms of this treaty. underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:51 PM drafted these opening terms underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:29:08 PM this is for chaos/ketog/rose/arrgh only underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:30:28 PM still filling out the rest of the document, but once those two are passed we can begin with the peace negotiations underlordgc11/2/2019, 4:22:26 PM Modified article 2 slightly, reworded 1 and added a new section 2 pushing the other numbers down underlordgc11/2/2019, 4:24:11 PM also, please only 1 vote per alliance, if ur not leader no vote plz k tnx underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:46:59 PM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:48:32 PM Article III - NAP 1. All parties of Anti-Memesphere and Memesphere, except for mythic, agree to a 12 month Non-Aggression Pact following the cessation of hostilities. A. GOONS may announce Shark Week within two weeks after the cessation of hostilities and anyone who is deemed a bad poster by them may get raided by GOONS. B. When Shark Week is announced, GOONS has 24 hours to designate bad posters on the OWF for raids. C. After hour 24, those who GOONS has deemed as bad posters will be raided by GOONS, no war declarations may occur after hour 48, to ensure conclusion of shark week by day 7. These raids cannot be countered. D. At the conclusion of day 7, all parties (GOONS and bad posters) go their separate ways. E. GOONS and their raiders will be protected by the NAP both before, during, and after Shark Week 2. The Non-Aggression Pact will automatically extend to all protectorates of the signatory alliances. 3. Any protectorates signed by the signatory alliances after the cessation of hostilities will automatically be included into the Non-Aggression Pact as well. underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:49:21 PM The Nap article and exceptions (mythic and the GOONS term) underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:54:05 PM also, I'm going to close article 1 and 2 as passed tomorrow morning. if you are not comfortable with it or think something should be changed discuss it in #abduction-committee underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:55:46 PM also if you think something can be reworded better /gramatically fixed cough article 2 section 1cough feel free to discuss it as well, until we actually submit a term to the otherside that stuff is fair game imho underlordgc11/4/2019, 11:00:54 PM Oh, and before I forget, article IV is physical and material reperations, so dm me asap since I intend to get that up for voting tommorow underlordgc11/13/2019, 9:49:18 PM This is where the fun begins ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/13/2019, 9:50:18 PM(edited 11/14/2019, 9:04:00 PM) Article IV - Physical & Material Reparations 1. The following terms must be completed in full before the cessation of hostilities may occur A. The Golden Horde will give GOONS $500 Million as punishment for the $50 Million they refused to pay which caused GOONS to be involved in the first place. B. Church of Spaceology and Valinor will pay a total of $500 Million as reparations to UPN. C. Soup Kitchen will repay $50 million to UPN. D. Soup Kitchen will repay $300 million to TCW. E. Knights Templar will return all money and resources looted from Polaris’s bank AAs during the war. F. Knights Templar will return the $2 billion stolen from TTO to UPN who shall justly distribute the funds to their former members. G. Knight Templar must send 1848 food in 1848 separate transactions to the United Socialist Nations in celebration of the publication of the Communist Manifesto H. Anti-Memsphere must feed the African children. Provided with a total of 5 Million food, the hunger of Afrika Korp’s children will be quenched for years. 2. Mythic retains the ability to raid any nation of the Anti-Memesphere alliances over 7 days inactive without facing counters. Now you know what the terms are. You're welcome.

Imagine drafting terms so ludicrous that nobody even notices the 12 month NAP.

"First they came for the Radiants, and I did not speak out - Because I was not in TKR. Then they came for the Empyreans, and I did not speak out - because I was not in Empyrea. Then, they came for those of the Carthage, and I did not speak out because I was not in Carthago. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me." - Gorge, former head of the Black Knights' economical affairs.

I do enjoy how you tried to point out the least important part of this whole thing, not how NPO / BK are trying to activly kill communities

So I read the post and "oh Kastor you funny guy" Then I read the thread and "wait, are these real?" I bet article 10 is "delete all your nations"

Nobody targeted NPO. NPO came in on their own. BK was targeted because they plotted to hit Chaos while Chaos was fighting KETOG. Effectively turning a fair, sorta 'friendly' war into a dogpile. NPO came to their defense for... reasons. NPO has lost wars before. In fact, NPO has lost several wars in the distant past. In each case, disbandment was absolutely never pushed. Your argument that 'hurr you would do the same' is completely false. Never in the 5+ year history of P&W has disbandment ever been a goal in any war outside of micro nonsense. Coalition B is attempting to set a new, very disturbing precedent where the winning coalition can attempt to push hundreds of players out of the game because... reasons.

@George (James T Kirk)Can we get one last TKR Sucks for the good 'ol times? -------- Joking aside, I think you're exactly right. Under no condition should anyone celebrate alliances disbanding, members leaving or any actions that threaten this game or any of the people who play it. We're all just human beings. It's sad that doesn't afford us some shared common decency.

Actually prior to this war, the game was moving into another direction. TGH and Chaos were fighting each other, other conflkicts sparking up. So it was on track to be a major change to the game

Pfft. OWR’s too stubborn to die. We will defend our Potatoes, whatever the cost may be.

I probably shouldn't say this being a Colo B leader..... But your comparison of IQ's foreign policy with that of the Athenian Empire in the 5-4th century is honestly a really apt comparison. Last semester of Uni for my Master's degree I did a unit on the Athenian Empire and the Athenian expedition to Syracuse is an excellent example of Hubris and over confidence in action, of which the disaster which was inflicted upon the Athenians ultimately helped weaken their Empire and subsequently destroy their hegemony over the Greek world..... perhaps such events are foreboding Colo B in PW?....... Also +1 for those last points. If this was a single Player strategy game once you achieve hegemony most times you end up starting a new game. In an MMO such as PW you can't do such a thing so the alternative is to cement a victory and then reach a settlement, from which both sides can at least arise and rebuild not just in a broke state which offers zero challenge the next time we go at it. For the record as I've said many times before, personally I think people deleting is a terrible thing and I do not support that back in KF when people gloated about TCW's 'death' just as much as I don't support that in Dial Up.

And tS' terms? What's funny is that this is only 4 out if 10 articles.

Correction to you both, there was a war where NPO wouldn't surrender until a clause saying they did a good job was included.

>leaving a coalition you dont want to fight for anymore is a violation of another alliance’s sovereignty >forcing alliances to let their members be raided without being able to counter is not a violation of their sovereignty and is perfectly okay @Leo the Great can you explain please? this doesnt make sense to me

I still have some personal animosity toward you gorge for stealing from us and about 60% of our community voted to have you be burned to the ground while 40% just wished to have a confession from you. I can agree with you on the point that supporting people to disband under the guise of "purging the weak" from orbis is really bad for the community and something i can't get behind personally. @George (James T Kirk) I am Sweden ball, a member of this browser game called politics and war and its community since November 2017 with my 1st alliance being Zodiac until March 7th 2018 when Zodiac merged into Black Knights (So I've been under the banner of the mighty IQ my entire lifetime in this game). My point is, I am loyal to black knights & Taco (1 of the former trio leader of zodiac and someone who i've grown to truly enjoy spending time with) and its community wherever it may go/develop. However one thing i have learned in this game (from one of "hippo" @Buorhann little podcast where a part described that people wont do anything for you unless they know you even if your plan is rock solid 100% full proof) is that the average member is "irrelevant" in terms that they won't change anything besides the income of the alliance during peace & its stats during war and another voice in the discord/forum. Knowing this i can only speak my mind. I don't agree with the recent actions of how my government is conducting itself, Particularly in HOW we are managing peace talks. I do believe we won the war and that KETOG/CHAOS/ROSE/$yndisphere should accept ALL of our demands. However we have not given them the chance to look at what they are accepting in the first place. Also all this salt between both ends of war has pretty much caused an US Vs. THEM mentality that as far as i'm aware of only happened on this scale once before. After the silent war $yndi-OO was THE hegemony & Black knights wished to make that "OO" part more prevalent but our partner at the time The knights radiant wished to maintain status-quo and this led to the creation of IQ as we all have grown to hate/love. Now here we are with "Opus dei, APEX, The Covenant & Let's Be Drinking Buddies." Collectively called the THE HEGEMONY OF IQ 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO on the peak of winning the war, Im not saying Dial-up is the 2nd "Silent war" as i personally believe it will be the next global that will decide what the "final Hegemony" which will be broken up by someone demanding political change. im sorry for my ramblings that have gone all over the place as i have never done a "true" forum post but i had to speak my mind. In the end im just a local ayylien whos too attached to Black Knights and its community and wish to see it continue grow in strength as ANYONE wants for there own alliance. We have our flaws but i believe we can fix them. (im just an Average Black knight and we are not all bad and i know the "OTHER" side has good people to i had a lovely in game chat with @Inconnueven though it was brief.)

I think what everyone needs to realize is that NPO/BK will come for you unless you do what they say. To Acadia, UPN, TCW, and others: do you realize that you now are forced to do whatever NPO/BK say. You have lost your sovereignty by being allied to them. I understand the want to drive your enemies into the ground, but still.

There isn't any radio shit anymore, and that's sad because they were pretty fun. So, I'm going to do one on my own again. I don't have anything planned. I was thinking of just muting everyone and then unmuting certain people and just talking. If there's enough interest, I'll get some guests together in future episodes. I'll probably even cover IRL news or something. Thalmor Radio: https://discord.gg/Uu2jpz6 Q&A: Q - When is this? A - December 2nd, 9 PM EST. Q - Why? A - Because I want to and it's fun. Q - Are you any better at being host? A - Probably not, but YOLO Q - Will it be recorded? A - I don't have anything arranged, but others are free to record it and rehost it wherever. PornHub if you want. Q - What about Templar Radio? A - Dead and gone, but I can provide the archive to that if asked. This is assuming they're still uploaded and not deleted. It has been 2 and a half years. Q - I want to speak and/or co-host A - I will grant everyone a chance to speak, but only some a chance to co-host. DM me on Discord if you want to be a co-host or if you think you're relevant enough to be a special guest in future episodes. Q - Will you be my dad? A - Always.

It’s not “here are terms, let’s talk about them” it’s “here’s a term, now either agree with them or we won’t show you the next one and we’ll drag the war even further” Again, if you have no clue as to what’s actually going on in the broader picture, it’s better to remain quiet than to come off as a fool.

Uh, that’s not what he said?

And we all know how that turned out.

Except that's just not true. You can look up almost every war in the game's history on the wiki, and you will never see terms like what is in the OP. Most wars end in a white peace. Some end with some combination of a NAP, admission of guilt/defeat, and reparations. You never saw shit like 'here's a nap, but our ally can raid you at will and you can't fight back' or 'pay back over 2 billion over a thing that happened over 2 years ago' If you aren't talking about in-game wars and you really want to bring in IRL concepts and events, we can talk about how the terms presented are unconscionable. Coalition B is writing the book on what it means to be a sore winner.

Lol actually I was plotting to leave for about 3 months, still deny those allegations. Im not mad as you say, im disappointing and upset. If you think i dont know how yall work, you deflect the issue trying to save face, dont forget i was part of IQ for 2+ years

I guess that's easy to say considering you bandwagoned in, what? 2 months ago? When the outcome had long since been determined? Bold statement...really.

OWR left Co-B because we knew we were better than this. No communiy deserves to be driven from Orbis. I pity anybody who genuinely believes they can drive us out. We've endured far worse than anything you could muster.

Wait, so this isn't even half of them? What the hell comes after this?

As an alliance leader and a member of CB, I would scream at my allies for dragging this war on for this long and shame them for laughing about people deleting and it being a war goal.

Ah, the ancient anthem of the realist, and the usual defense of hegemonic ambition. Haven't heard it before. Amazingly enough, nobody on your side has actually been stupid enough to bring up that argument in their undermining of their own governments' narratives, but here we go. Thucydides said that as the Athenian party line regarding why Athens should dominate the island of Melos. Naturally, the Melians didn't like the idea, held to their independence, and were massacred; every man was executed and every woman and child was sold into slavery. (So that's a good look for you right there.) Ironically, the idea of "might makes right" rebounded right on the Athenians in their next expedition to Sicily, sealing their defeat to Sparta, where the realities of realism came true once more, just with Athens on the other end of the business. (So that's another good look for you right there.) Meanwhile, even contemporary scholars had problems with Thucydides. From https://delanceyplace.com/view-archives.php?p=2359 "In the first century BC, in a long essay devoted to Thucydides' work, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, a literary critic and historian himself, complained -- with ample supporting quotations -- of the 'forced expressions', 'non sequiturs', 'artificialities,' and 'riddling obscurity'. 'If people actually spoke like this,' he wrote, 'not even their mothers or their fathers would be able to tolerate the unpleasantness of it; in fact they would need translators, as if they were listening to a foreign language. ... ". (So, yet more good look for ya.) On top of that, you're quoting a mistranslation. From same place, the actual quote is "The powerful exact what they can, and the weak comply." Now, both translations are, on the surface at least, simply truisms. Obviously when in conflict, the strong win and the weak don't. That's the definition of 'strong' and 'weak', after all. What is vitally important to consider when applying that idea to a modern-day video game as opposed to the ancient games of warfare however is that back in the days of the Peloponnesian War, the strong regularly slaughtered their enemies IRL, enslaved their children, raped their wives, burned down their homes and stole all their stuff. Which is what the "strong" did in that quote. So, tell me, are you misusing the quote? Or are you declaring that your aircraft gives you the right to actually do all of that stuff? ? So, yes, while the wars of the ancient era were games played with stakes high enough that nothing could be sacred and no rules could ever be afforded, we're playing a video game. We're not fighting for our literal IRL lives and homes, we're at least theoretically playing to have fun, like how Thucydides would describe sports. Sure, there's honor in earning laurels at the Olympics, but even he would balk at someone declaring murder to be the way to win the discus. Whereas both he and I would gladly admit that murder is the way to win a genuine, blood-and-iron fight to the death. This brings me to the next point... 1st off, lmfao at calling @Thalmor of all people a "pubbie". Also, telling him to die? (Yet ANOTHER good look for you!) 2nd off: The answer to your question is very simple. The stakes aren't high enough to require it. In a fight to the death, you want the game to end. However, this is a video game, and specifically a video game balanced around the idea that defeat should not ever be permanent. The beginning of a war is unquestionably the least certain and most fun part of this game, literally everyone with more experience than a single war can agree with that, so it follows that everyone would have more fun when there are more beginnings of wars. Preventing a war from ending, however, precludes the possibility of the combatants from beginning a new war, and preventing another player from playing entirely precludes the possibilities of wars involving that opponent, thus reducing the variety of possible beginnings of wars and thus reducing the potential fun for everyone, including everyone that would potentially be fighting against or alongside that player. So tell me, what do you have against fun? You'd honestly rather ensure that nobody can possibly have fun, just to make sure that you don't have even the most theoretical chance of "losing"? Where's the fun in that?

TheNG10/2/2019, 9:56:57 AM Is the plan to get them out ASAP and focus on tS, or keep them down too? Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:42 AM Destroy them Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:53 AM It’s a bipolar world now Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:59 AM We need them dead TheNG10/2/2019, 9:58:51 AM Alright TheNG10/2/2019, 9:59:29 AM There are only two types of alliances in this world - IQ and IQ stats muahahaha Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:43 AM Se need to make as many of their members quit as possible Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:55 AM T$ has surrounded themselves with bad alliances Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:23 AM So we need to break their backs Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:43 AM Since next war we are fighting all these alliances from the beginning underlordgc10/2/2019, 10:02:20 AM You want these people to quit the game? BK man bad Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:05:14 AM Pretty sure that’s been established

Nation in Question: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=180847 Please read through the entire thing before only issuing a strike. ^Shown above, he writes a poem about beating up his sons with a baseball bat. This affects me on a personal level because one of my best friends endured such. It is not something to be joked about. Furthermore, he states he will not acknowledge his sons. - Note that this is a play on the Soviet Union coat of Arms. The Soviet Union killed over 50 million people. This is entirely inappropriate. Let me zoom in. - Assmen clearly a play on vulgar language. - Weed Asses Again a play on vulgar language and weed is not appropriate for open community nation pages... You need to be above 21 to smoke in most places. This community requires you to be above 13. shown below. - DONGS clearly a play on vulgar language. - This is a referral to Alfred Sherman, who as noted below a communist / racist and was expelled from his own party that was running against Margaret Thatcher. Please note that in reference to the poem, the two balls and a stick refers directly to a man's privates. This is not appropriate for the community. From above, you have 7 strike worthy incidents. Do note that the image was self made by the user of the nation. He took the time to write every little detail into the image. Furthermore something else that is fishy. I believe this person is using a script to automate baseball. Look. 35 days, 68347 games total. That means he plays 2000 games a day. 85 games an hour. Frankly that is absurd. Look into it.

Ma... maybe that's what they actually want and add all these terms just because they are shy?

Where's the paper shredder?

Coop is the goddamn goldenest individual in this game, and if you disagree with his sentiment, you are wrong.

dear alex i'd like to revisit the suggestion of embargoes being set at an alliance level for those who haven't read the original suggestion, here's the link. additionally, here's the link to the similar suggestion of being able to embargo entire alliances on a national level, which was approved now that we've got that out of the way, i'd like to address why i think this suggestion should be reassessed: first, the things that were mentioned in the original suggestion are still valid - alliance-level embargoes would be much more impactful and create more tension in cold wars and peacetime. second, the reasons alex originally gave are more or less countered by his reasoning in the nation>alliance embargo suggestion thread - namely, if a nation doesn't like the alliance's embargo policies, they can quit the alliance. this was mentioned in the original thread as well third, there has been some recent furore over embargo spam - enacting embargoes on an alliance level would drastically reduce the number of notifications a nation would get, and also reduce (or even eliminate) the possibility of embargoes being used for harassment fourth, alex states that alliance leadership should be monitoring and enforcing their embargo policies across their membership - this is an enormous amount of work for very little gain at the moment, particularly within larger alliances. currently, to check if nations are following embargo policy one has to go through the alliance's nation list. this involves two clicks and manually reading through a list of every embargo the nation has, per nation. in an alliance of 100+ members this is a ridiculous amount of work that needs to be repeated every time embargo policy changes. sincerely maliciousonion

Says the guy with grudges older than this game. Your stance is proactive, and you merely try to find excuses to make it appear reactive. Whatever else is said here is mere fluff meant to deflect the topic to something else. None of this changes the fact that you are, at the end of the day, artificially keeping this war going for longer because you ultimately want to drive as many people out as possible (you never try to disprove/argue this directly, simply because you can't), while having yourselves feigned appallment at others seemingly suggesting something similar, which as turns out, wasn't apparently that appalling given that you joyfully embrace it yourselves. Certainly loving the twist that Keshav hopes for Carthago to die, when he shed crocodile tears on me over a meme. Ultimately, it's just as Thrax said: "You revel in toxicity, as long as it's your own.".

No, that's not true. Each and every member counts. Gov serves at the pleasure of its membership, which includes you. Sometimes it's takes a little bit of member feedback to indicate to a gov to change its course. Remember that any gov has nothing if it doesn't have its members' backing. And it's this reason why the recent leaks and George's comments sting so bad because those members are so important for our alliances, for our communities, and for the game. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if we're TKR or BK or NPO, because this is remains a fact. And if you're willing to reach out to the "other" side, then let me be one the first to introduce myself. I'm Cooper, and my DMs are always open for a conversation. Or, check out our public channels in the TKR server, we have always have tons of people from all over chatting there. We'd love to see you over there, and maybe you could tell us a little bit about why you like BK too .

I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting.

The insecurity in that chat lmao. Seriously you guys have most the game allied and still are worried that we're going to smack you unless you have us disband? Clooney has forgotten that this is a game and the fact he has such a vendetta is very lol-worthy.

So to encourage this war to be over, I'll be dropping daily leaks from both sides until the war ends. First up, Coalition A or B, whatever u are. George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:04:57 PM we've spent a lot of time knocking down all their whales George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:05:30 PM so now we spend time knocking down their middle tier to ash George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:05:59 PM what we need is a total war strategy George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:06:42 PM what does that look like, what is the expected outcome George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:07:31 PM this isn't CN, you can't keep attacking people until they all retreat into PM or surrender individually George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:15:23 PM and as I said elsewhere, we need to decide how much time/blood/treasure we're willing to invest in the project George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:16:00 PM ultimately at this point they are probably thinking that if they survive without surrendering they win Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:16:22 PM I mean it’s an all in war George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:16:31 PM I don't think that giving them all the terms is going to help or change that George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:16:56 PM like I said, total war Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:17:16 PM They will come at us coordinated next time George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:17:33 PM so do we continue until we see some disbandments? George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:18:57 PM IMHO, if they won't negotiate, and you don't want to hand them a simple surrender and we're done, then we remain at war, and if we remain at war, there needs to be a goal Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:19:11 PM I mean t$ is displacing Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:19:15 PM Dissolving Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:19:23 PM That’s why they’re so desperate TheNG11/20/2019, 5:20:06 PM Like falling apart dissolving or actually disbanding? George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:20:20 PM either achieves the same goal George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:21:10 PM I want to look up t$ and get nothing, or I get a couple of diehards who refused to leave the AA Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:21:22 PM Falling apart George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:21:23 PM but effectively they are dead Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:21:26 PM They won’t disband Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:21:38 PM They’ve lost about 4-5 members a week Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:21:46 PM It’s why partisan is so desperate TheNG11/20/2019, 5:22:18 PM Huh, I didn't know they were losing that many. Not good for them Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:22:34 PM Thats t$ proper Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:23:06 PM And they are supplementing members from E$ QueenPhoenixLTS11/20/2019, 5:23:39 PM CoA still seems to have some pride left. QueenPhoenixLTS11/20/2019, 5:23:59 PM Idk what the morale status is on OWR or Carth QueenPhoenixLTS11/20/2019, 5:24:09 PM If we're constructing war goals, might as well lay out the whole board. George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:24:30 PM agreed Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:25:32 PM Carthagos members a re fading George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:25:51 PM because if any of the other side is teetering on the point of disbanding, we could focus them and give them one last good push over the cliff Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:26:00 PM I mean that’s the goal Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:26:06 PM But everyone has to be on board Leo the Great11/20/2019, 5:26:13 PM We will never have this advantage again George Clooney11/20/2019, 5:26:52 PM I say we press on QueenPhoenixLTS11/20/2019, 5:27:50 PM We have to, at this point QueenPhoenixLTS11/20/2019, 5:27:52 PM There's no alternative.

Since my new role in game is apparently "Context Bot", I want to say something for the umpteenth time. Freedom of speech strictly refers to freedom from government interference in your ability to participate in public spaces. It has absolutely no bearing on a private forum owned by and operated by a LLC. There is nothing comparable between any game action and any real life action by a government. If you object to potential restrictions being place on someone's ability to participate in these forums, and those restrictions aren't being placed by Alex or his employees/agents, feel free to object to them, but your objections should reflect the reality of the situation.

@Shadowthrone You're screwed, friend!

Alex has ruled that drug references are not violations.

Imagine being Alex reading these threads

I read the 12 month NAP as 'we really want a free run at farksphere, you're not allowed to help while we try and push another alliance out of the game.'

3 of 10, none of which were presented 12 month nap 'we can raid with impunity you're not allowed to defend yourselves' The church condemns these actions.The very thought of them is heinous and sinful. May Atom forgive you and have mercy on your soul. Change your ways, repent, and be graceful in victory, do not let your soul be condemned to the nothingness that surrounds our universe. For those who were present in this discussion and previous ones in which the leadership of BK, NPO, Acadia, and UPN concludes the disbandments and didn't speak up, shame on you! We are dissappointed in you. You should have the courage to speak out against such evil and sin! To not stand against evil, is to take part in it! Do not so easily condemn your souls to nothinginess! Speak out! May Atom have mercy on your soul.

Bruh. This is the first time we've seen anything outside of Term 1.

Only NPO can ruin the game

Troll ^ Also @Roquentin, that’s not the same and you know it. Alienating someone politically and destroying an alliance’s reputation is one thing. Hitting someone and sitting on them until they disband or all their players quit is another thing. KETOG went from 240ish members to 75, and you literally are saying that you have to destroy them or they’ll be too effective? What?!

Food for thought.

Ok, I'll write it in a way that you'll understand. How're you gonna have fun by yourselves without a tissue?