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I fundamentally disagree. Peace terms are an essential part of the bridge between politics and wars. Without delving into the fact that, yes, TKR has had a hand in imposing terms on numerous alliances in the past, your basic premise is wrong for two main reasons. 1) Wars establish or reinforce grudges and rivalries. The Mensa-Rose rivalry is probably the most famous so far, and it was built in part on peace terms. Rose signing a treaty with Mensa had more significance because of the $1 billion in reparations Rose paid Mensa when it surrendered in the Silent War. A lot of the Article III terms were added because alliances in TKR's coalition successfully imposed similar terms on alliances in our coalition in the past. The Article IV terms are about rivalries in naming color blocs. No one is going to go to war over the name of color, but that doesn't mean that Acadia, TCW, SK, and TKR aren't slightly annoyed that their preferred color names aren't always chosen. These aren't bad things. They make politics more interesting. I don't know if there's evidence to support your claim about driving players away, but there is evidence that public arguments like these are the most politically engaging parts of the game for most players. Consider this: the two topics with the most views and the most replies in Alliance Affairs are this one and Rose's Surrender from the Silent War, which is where NPO and BK had a 30-page argument about the reparations BK was trying to (and did) impose on NPO. 2) Peace terms are the most reliable way to establish and enforce informal rules. The precedent on reparations, for example, is that only aggressors should be forced to pay them. This was the case in the Great VE War and in the Silent War, and was cited as a justification for reparations in both. The terms surrounding Arrgh after UPN defeated them, after Syndisphere defeated UPN's coalition a few months later, and in Article VIII here are attempts to curtail or protect Arrgh's brand of piracy. Arrgh's success - and, by extension, the viability of full-time raiding - is partly built on Arrgh's ability to make major alliances willing to help Arrgh via peace terms. The terms in Articles V, VI, and VII are our coalition's attempt to set precedents regarding war dodging, trade bots, and secret treaties. Article V has a partial precedent in Rose's surrender in the Silent War - Belisarius and Oblige were subjected to additional wars because Rose's opponents felt they hadn't been damaged enough. Trade bots aren't illegal, but we dislike them; so, we're trying to get rid of TKR's bot. Exposing GOB's charade about being "paperless" is in keeping with both traditional and paperless alliances' conception of treaties: regardless of their formality, we feel all treaties should be made public. Part of the reason for the war was the power that TKR-sphere derived from bloat - massive warchests from bloated nations that hadn't fought a difficult war in years; power from maintaining treaties off the books with GOB, t$, or others despite public claims that they'd removed their FA bloat by "cancelling" most of their EMC treaties. If it's somehow unacceptable for our coalition to alter this status quo with peace terms, why was it acceptable for TKR-sphere to engage in these practices in the first place? The solution to displeasure with the current political dynamic is to change it, through force if necessary. The solution isn't to say that we should remove political consequences from wars, especially since wars are fought to address problems other than those posed by unchecked military power.

I just wanna leak the good news for everyone, have a good night and congrats @Paul!

I think theres a cultural issue with regards to peace terms, and that is folks don't seem to like losing tbh. Wars are won/lost, and thats the point of the politics. Take your defeat, move on, the rest of the terms in Orbis today revolve around joke terms and/or pranks. None of the terms are designed in such a manner that have been repressive from what I've seen, and are enforced to completely destroy or neuter an alliance comprehensively. Nevertheless, it adds a valid political process, which can lead to better outcomes, both internally and externally. I mean a bunch of members of our present coalition, have paid reps, had infra caps and treaties to be nullified, including previous peace agreements, and wars have ended much sooner. Especially when folks were willing to work within the political process to achieve an outcome. Take the defeat, find a mutual point on the peace process which does not involve the constant changing of minds, and continuously negotiating in bad faith, and you wouldn't be here. The problem really isn't with the idea of peace terms for the most bit tbh.

We'll Pass. We're not dead its just a weight loss program. For the record Cuppy did the right thing, we just lost a bunch of baggage. We'll come out of this stronger than we were before Knightfall. Having a smaller group of active members is far better foundation to build upon than having our score being inflated by people who don't fight and go inactive.

Shifty reporting in with screenshots and reports Looks like Rose maybe in financial trouble and demanding money from protectorates Is this a case of protection for nothing or money for nothing? Here at SNN we let the viewers decide on things the globalists wish they could keep behind closed doors.

To Whom It May Concern, It has been months since Mr. Traveler and myself have left Platinum Studios. Our Mongolian friends provided shelter, supplies and some laughs during our mission to find a home. Here we are sitting around a campfire, a cup of hot soup in our hands with our knapsacks at our sides. Home. What is a home? Is it a destination? Is it a group of people? Can one home be better than another? We look to find the answers to these questions. Being objective is paramount to discovering the truth. At times being objective can be a hard thing to accomplish. We all have our biases and our point of views. This is why we have decided to go around the world on our makeshift Hobo Express. Each week we will travel far and wide in the pursuit to find a new home; to see what lies beyond. We will then report our findings on Friday night (11pm Central) using our mobile studio. We are hoping by the end of this expedition we can finally objectively call one of these alliances in Orbis our home. First stop, Empyrea. The death and decay that lay upon the lands of Empyrea is getting Charlie all hot and bothered. With any luck, this will be a short trip and we can call this next stop home. Great! Tidings and Best Wishes, Kev and Charlie

Hey guys, I'm making a micro soon. Pls join, I have no experience but I was in Pantheon and The Common Wealth before I decided to make an alliance so I'm 100% sure we'll do great!!

If the Soviet Union had that philosophy, the cold war would have been over in minutes. ...And for that matter, we'd all be speaking German. Just sayin.

hehe might as well respond with a 3 point response 1. Don't understand what you mean by this at all. He didn't VM or delete, just went afk. (Unless that's the point you were making..?) 2. We can't beat camelot there (not even meant as an insult, y'all have outdone us by a lot) 3. Didn't know anything about the 500mil, if so, I agree we did shit looking at the growth we had then. Our growth has been pretty shit compared to yours too, so fair enough. NR propaganda stuff - fair enough again, respect them a bunch for actually fighting pretty well (<3 @pooball) Guess i'd best start running now :^)

Pretty much everything you're talking about is the result of bad mechanics. The ability to grow forever, the ability to build massive warchests, the long wars and the even longer war cycles aren't the effects of peace terms. They are the result of nations' ability to grow forever and to stockpile resources and money forever. If you want to remedy this, hard ceilings on growth, warchest sizes, or both are necessary. Your proposed solution is to diminish wars and, by extension, politics, to a glorified game of king of the hill. The point isn't that the material effects of peace terms are marginal compared to the destruction caused by wars; it's that wars are about more than doing damage to your adversaries. Many of the terms proposed now or accepted in past wars have no material affect whatsoever. You said that the only peace term you didn't mind was an admissions of defeat, but admitting defeat has been a sticking point in past wars. Poor mechanics aren't a good reason to suck the life out of other aspects of PW.

We need a category for "Best at Rigging Polls"

Joining a dogpile this late does not magically absolve you of pixelhuggery lol Your involvement in the war was 7 quadrillion percent irrelevant. It was so irrelevant that the laws of mathematics can't even logically account for all that irrelevance. If you're gonna flex, get something to flex about.

Good on fricking you. No I'm serious. Good job. This is not sarcasm and I'm. Other sure if that'll get across. This is legitimately good.

We just dropped about 20members a few days ago because I kicked them, but it seems not all of my gov had the thought of kicking inactives and people who didn't fight in the war, so they got semi pissy about it and told me it wasn't my job. TBH more should have been removed

Tfw the major alliances won't protect you so you go to a shit micro to protect your shit micro.

This is a compilation of all the memes that happened last year, or at least the most important ones. We tried to include as many as possible, but you can't fit every single one without going insane Thanks to @Abbas Mehdi , @Buorhann , @Thalmor , @Settra , @TheNG Rising for helping a lot with the memes, the video took many days and over 40 man hours. Strap up, grab your popcorn..

to qoute this post i must point out that you did not reply back to what a brudda said about why the hammer and sickle is not banned. with all due respect the only reply was a A style of reply of if you do not like the game don't play it. well im not a nazi or a communist but i have to ask for him. why is the hammer and sickle and commie hate group flags not banned? that and why dose the hammer and sickle get a pass? not...that im saying we should have swastkas in the game but why dose one radical party get a pass here? no hate just curious im a historian my self and a geopolitical thinker i just want to know why websites and games like yours allow the hammer and sickle to still be used signed Quan Minh Dao first president of the third Republic of Vietnam ps im all so worried that my flag could in the future be deemed as a hate flag and get me banned ps to the PS why cant we post in that comment section as soon as you read it?

There was literally more effort put into this thread by these micro’s than what they put into their actual alliances

Joining late is pretty bad, although that alone doesn't make you guys infamous. Being infamous is just an amalgamation of all the stupid things you guys do. Off the top of my head, I think of your guys' crappy leadership (Even the new one that you mentioned), your guys' massive ego (Yes, y'all have a huge ego whether you want to admit that or not), your garbage war performance, joining late to a dogpile (Probably causing more of an annoyance to your allies than enemies), Godfury's head of IA doing pseudo FA (PR) on the forums, and your guys' inability to take any criticism, literally, y'all (you specifically) need to chill out when people talk shit about Godfury, because well, most of the things people say about Godfury are *correct* and instead of asking why, you guys go on a forum rampage, attacking and replying to anyone who isn't on your side. Maybe it's just me, or maybe there's actual problems with your alliance to be addressed, or maybe you'll simply ignore all the above statement and begin typing a vicious reply after reading the first line...

Two down, only one to go.

And yet here you are making the same mistakes. Congrats on giving Rose another liability the protectorate

Check out this part of a prior post: As far as I know, there is no way for TKR to "win" a trade-bot war. By establishing a NPO trade-bot, assuming they're equally effective, you will gain half their advantage. That would cause TKR to "lose" the trade-bot war by losing half of their malicious transactions and having no trade advantage over you. Because the API is the same for everyone, the only way to have one bot more effective than the other would be having more members with the bot online at a time. That could only realistically be achieved by having higher natural activity on Discord/Slack or mandating someone be on at all times watching for trades. However, creating a NPO bot would only advantage you. Even if you gain less than half of the trades, that's still damaging TKR and benefiting you. In addition, it can be used as leverage in the peace talks. To be honest, I'm a tad disappointed you haven't made one yet. You have all the resources to make one within 24 hours. The worst thing that can happen would be TKR pulling out another trade advantage that isn't as easily countered, making the two or so hours that you spent on coding goes to waste.

This whole thing started from my opinion that Godfury is an unknown. You decided to fend its honor by trying to prove how relevant you guys are. Not sure why you are so upset by it.

What makes you think anyone not named Thanos is going to do anything interesting in 2019?

At this point, perma-war on TKR will be nice. Who even wants peace with them? Just keep hitting them for a year and even the famed "Core Group" will fade away.

You really should work on your anger issues. And learn the difference between a personal OOC opinion and an official alliance position. I've been a part of TKR since the beginning and most of the times I've been involved at all (which isn't much for the last year or so), our alliance hasn't pushed terms. I never claimed that was always the case and what TKR has or hasn't done is tangential to my point. As for getting rolled, I'm happy for the change of pace and the chance to fight a good guerilla war in an underdog capacity. It's the most fun I've had in this game in years. I really don't care about or follow global politics much at all these days. That's not a dig on those who do, I'm content to just maintain my nation, fight hard, and do some econ work for my alliance. I'm much less bored of this war than I am of previous wars that we won where peace negotiations dragged on. It's more fun to be on the side where there are always open slots and you have little to lose, and to find ways to do a lot of damage in spite of the uphill fight, than to be on the other side playing whack-a-mole against hard to find targets who don't have much worth destroying.

If you think my post was talking about my personal/honor pride you completely missed the point of my post. For better or for worse people egos are going to play into this which is why in this world and in other worlds we see peace negotiations stretch out for weeks/months. Drama is good but do you know what else is good? Having major wars more often than every 6 months to a year. More wars = more drama. Long drawn out wars = the same stale shit.

You know how much we want to be your best friend

Copying from Discord, as it may be relevant to some here, such as @Roquentin -Added alliance information to the nation military API page -Nations API now defaults to not including Vacation Mode nations, they can be included by appending "vm=true" in the URL -Nations API now lets you filter to a single alliance if you want by appending "alliance_id=ID" in the URL -Nations API now lets you set a minimum score threshold if you want by appending "min_score=X" in the URL -Nations API now lets you set a maximum score threshold if you want by appending "max_score=X" in the URL Example URL https://politicsandwar.com/api/nations/?vm=true&min_score=2000&max_score=2500&alliance_id=2082

Well, now you know. Also You now know to never ask the forums a sincere and uninformed question. All posts must be statements, dripping with sarcasm and hate....bonus points if you quote someone else's sarcastic response and then add your own brand of acid to the mix. It helps if you hate pixels. Be sure to mention this point several times. Shields up all of the time son!

I mean even on our national day, Alex shows his anti-Australian bias by censoring swear words, which are an integral part of Australian speech.

It's a shame, NCR really is a cool theme. Just disband while you're ahead.

Did you seriously already get couped from New California Republic? You'd think at some point you'd learn to not give people you don't IRL or atleast outside PW the heir position.

They have been with us for over a month

Come on guys no need to be that hard on him. But I heard arrgh is looking for members

Me BK would be the premium package.

hmmm yes, please click "delete my nation" and go play farmville

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Pretty low move Rose, kinda disappointing to see really, glad this was caught before he actually paid! Make your own money and stop stealing from others

This can be used to describe both the government shutdown and knightfall

wow it's almost as if holding a vote tends to favor the side with more voters

Nothing gained, nothing lost. Haha, oh man. If that's the case, then why didn't kosmokenny win it? He's quite possibly the worst based on personality.

I disagree with this completely, no micros means consilidation, stagnation, less wars and less raids. This also makes the game less appealing to large preestablished communities looking to transfer over to this game and many others dont want to be part of an alliance were they are just another cog. What we really need Is for Alex to update the tutorial to stop giving bad advice like building farms too soon and to explain why MFGs should not be produced by new players. As well as explain things like production bonuses & crime better so they will stop building sloppily. And change the starting infra of new cities to 100 instead of 10 so that they can follow the advice of building in 100s without having extra Infra (even if that includes the miniscule price of 10 to 100 infra in the new city cost)