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I fundamentally disagree. Peace terms are an essential part of the bridge between politics and wars. Without delving into the fact that, yes, TKR has had a hand in imposing terms on numerous alliances in the past, your basic premise is wrong for two main reasons. 1) Wars establish or reinforce grudges and rivalries. The Mensa-Rose rivalry is probably the most famous so far, and it was built in part on peace terms. Rose signing a treaty with Mensa had more significance because of the $1 billion in reparations Rose paid Mensa when it surrendered in the Silent War. A lot of the Article III terms were added because alliances in TKR's coalition successfully imposed similar terms on alliances in our coalition in the past. The Article IV terms are about rivalries in naming color blocs. No one is going to go to war over the name of color, but that doesn't mean that Acadia, TCW, SK, and TKR aren't slightly annoyed that their preferred color names aren't always chosen. These aren't bad things. They make politics more interesting. I don't know if there's evidence to support your claim about driving players away, but there is evidence that public arguments like these are the most politically engaging parts of the game for most players. Consider this: the two topics with the most views and the most replies in Alliance Affairs are this one and Rose's Surrender from the Silent War, which is where NPO and BK had a 30-page argument about the reparations BK was trying to (and did) impose on NPO. 2) Peace terms are the most reliable way to establish and enforce informal rules. The precedent on reparations, for example, is that only aggressors should be forced to pay them. This was the case in the Great VE War and in the Silent War, and was cited as a justification for reparations in both. The terms surrounding Arrgh after UPN defeated them, after Syndisphere defeated UPN's coalition a few months later, and in Article VIII here are attempts to curtail or protect Arrgh's brand of piracy. Arrgh's success - and, by extension, the viability of full-time raiding - is partly built on Arrgh's ability to make major alliances willing to help Arrgh via peace terms. The terms in Articles V, VI, and VII are our coalition's attempt to set precedents regarding war dodging, trade bots, and secret treaties. Article V has a partial precedent in Rose's surrender in the Silent War - Belisarius and Oblige were subjected to additional wars because Rose's opponents felt they hadn't been damaged enough. Trade bots aren't illegal, but we dislike them; so, we're trying to get rid of TKR's bot. Exposing GOB's charade about being "paperless" is in keeping with both traditional and paperless alliances' conception of treaties: regardless of their formality, we feel all treaties should be made public. Part of the reason for the war was the power that TKR-sphere derived from bloat - massive warchests from bloated nations that hadn't fought a difficult war in years; power from maintaining treaties off the books with GOB, t$, or others despite public claims that they'd removed their FA bloat by "cancelling" most of their EMC treaties. If it's somehow unacceptable for our coalition to alter this status quo with peace terms, why was it acceptable for TKR-sphere to engage in these practices in the first place? The solution to displeasure with the current political dynamic is to change it, through force if necessary. The solution isn't to say that we should remove political consequences from wars, especially since wars are fought to address problems other than those posed by unchecked military power.

Tfw the major alliances won't protect you so you go to a shit micro to protect your shit micro.

We'll Pass. We're not dead its just a weight loss program. For the record Cuppy did the right thing, we just lost a bunch of baggage. We'll come out of this stronger than we were before Knightfall. Having a smaller group of active members is far better foundation to build upon than having our score being inflated by people who don't fight and go inactive.

You really should work on your anger issues. And learn the difference between a personal OOC opinion and an official alliance position. I've been a part of TKR since the beginning and most of the times I've been involved at all (which isn't much for the last year or so), our alliance hasn't pushed terms. I never claimed that was always the case and what TKR has or hasn't done is tangential to my point. As for getting rolled, I'm happy for the change of pace and the chance to fight a good guerilla war in an underdog capacity. It's the most fun I've had in this game in years. I really don't care about or follow global politics much at all these days. That's not a dig on those who do, I'm content to just maintain my nation, fight hard, and do some econ work for my alliance. I'm much less bored of this war than I am of previous wars that we won where peace negotiations dragged on. It's more fun to be on the side where there are always open slots and you have little to lose, and to find ways to do a lot of damage in spite of the uphill fight, than to be on the other side playing whack-a-mole against hard to find targets who don't have much worth destroying.

You can blame TKR-side leadership for a lot of the slow down. There's been a plethora of times where there has been no activity in the peace talks channel for weeks at a time. They've also accepted terms, and then gone back and said no they don't accept those terms without anything changing from there. It's been made clear several times that the terms are not going to be removed, and the things which have held up talks the most are effing ridiculous. Protecting the "honor" of VM-ers because you're such a delicate pile of garbage that you don't like them being labeled as "war dodgers" and want to protect their VM-protected infra while sacrificing rebuild time/resources of hundreds. Wanting to keep your trade bot active and still requiring art for to return trades because of "tradition" is a bad joke. If TKR was not in these peace talks I'm confident the war would have ended at least a month ago, if not 2. The fault for all of this rests on Adrienne. You're largely inactive in peace talks. Days and weeks go by without you making further effort. You cling to trying to protect your trash while doing disservice to the rest of the members. You're alliance has never really lost before, and are apparently incompetent as to how it works. As someone who has played these shit games for way too long, there are no harsh terms in the original surrender. Honestly the GoB one was the harshest of them, but even the child like reasoning skills of SRD were able to find a solution working with Ripper. But not Adrienne, you god damn dumpster fire of a leader. Step down. Give someone else the charge, you have 97 other members one of them is bound to have a brain because you sure as shit do not. To Justin's point you can assign blame to either side, and while I might be biased some there lies a major issue. This is IQ's first time winning, really. Lets say they flinch and give in to white peace after making such a point about terms, it shows anyone can just stick it out if they really don't want the terms. You can claim the same is TKR's side can be shown to give in to terms, but that's a part of losing. There was a hiccup in the TEst-Guardian term where we wanted them to write a couple paragraphs about something deity-flavored, they decided they didn't want to do the cosmetic/joke sort of term so we offered them 5B to get out of it or they could present a counter option in flavor with what was originally there. They simply chose to go with the original term. But that shows how quickly some of the speed bumps and stops can be resolved. Honestly it could have been done in a day or twos time should leadership been more active about it. tl;dr Yes it's stupid things have gone on this long. The fault largely rests with TKR. I hope their allies leave them to burn in the trash heap they've left them to burn in for extra months.

I think the real MVP is Vacant, he's going to have his work cut out for him since he's basically the glue holding that alliance together.

We just dropped about 20members a few days ago because I kicked them, but it seems not all of my gov had the thought of kicking inactives and people who didn't fight in the war, so they got semi pissy about it and told me it wasn't my job. TBH more should have been removed

Woah Sean, Godfury? At first I thought you hit rock bottom with Acadia... but Godfury? What the actual hell is that alliance? I've only heard one thing from them, and that they signed with Pantheon. I literally know nothing else about that alliance.

Joining a dogpile this late does not magically absolve you of pixelhuggery lol Your involvement in the war was 7 quadrillion percent irrelevant. It was so irrelevant that the laws of mathematics can't even logically account for all that irrelevance. If you're gonna flex, get something to flex about.

The best response to that is a smile.

Yet you continue to post.

If you think my post was talking about my personal/honor pride you completely missed the point of my post. For better or for worse people egos are going to play into this which is why in this world and in other worlds we see peace negotiations stretch out for weeks/months. Drama is good but do you know what else is good? Having major wars more often than every 6 months to a year. More wars = more drama. Long drawn out wars = the same stale shit.

Do you think one of the awards categories is stupid and should be removed next year? Or maybe a new category that didn't exist this year should be added? If you fall into one or both of those categories, reply with your suggestion for future Politics And War award categories. If your suggestion has already been posted here, post it again! It'll just show more support for that category. I'll start this off with my suggestion: Categories I think should be added: Biggest Pixel-huggers Most Annoying Poster Categories I think should be removed: All the repetitive ones (i.e. Most Improved Alliance/Best Alliance Growth)

I just wanna leak the good news for everyone, have a good night and congrats @Paul!

Remove all the current awards Add: -Best pigeon -Worst thing Alex did during the year -Funniest game bug -Best rum drinker -Best twerker -Best travel destination for VM -Worst game report -Worst use of the word "nazi" by Kosmokenny -Worst treaty violation by NPO

Is it really that difficult to check your trade before submitting?

Protip: If you are insanely unpopular, don't post DoEs or DoWs on the forums. It'll just get you downvoted and make you more unpopular.

May have been the tequila shots and a shitty mood. But the brownies certainly caused this.

Shifty, expose the globalist scum!

Well, now you know. Also You now know to never ask the forums a sincere and uninformed question. All posts must be statements, dripping with sarcasm and hate....bonus points if you quote someone else's sarcastic response and then add your own brand of acid to the mix. It helps if you hate pixels. Be sure to mention this point several times. Shields up all of the time son!

Ah yes, like the white peace/just admission of defeat TGH/KT got.

So I was drunk on Australia day when I made this, and someone suggested I post it on the OWF so here it is: "The Fresh Prince of Vacation Mode" In tCW born and raised Pixel hugging was where we spent most of our days Chillin with our Infra And all shooting some trades, on Alex’s shitty server that can't even handle a day I said bunch of guys from SynIQ who were up to no good Started making trouble up in my neighborhood I got in one little fight and Felkey got scared He said, “frick this shit I’m out, Yui you need to hold down this hood” EDIT: It seems it auto censored the F word to "frick............ bloody censorship....

You should've done that 5 alliances ago.

Disband.

Shifty reporting in with screenshots and reports Looks like Rose maybe in financial trouble and demanding money from protectorates Is this a case of protection for nothing or money for nothing? Here at SNN we let the viewers decide on things the globalists wish they could keep behind closed doors.

If it wasn't relevant why mention it? Why claim it makes you not pixel huggers? You're trying to use it to shittalk on somebody calling you bad. Well, you wanna talk about the war, let's talk about how my nation by itself did 75% as much damage as all of god fury and took only 25% as much. Unless you wanna count net, where I beat you by 3.5bn. Your entire alliance that is. My point here in case you don't get it is don't go talking about how you were in a war when your alliance of 50 people is outperformed by one loud mouthed !@#$.

At this point, perma-war on TKR will be nice. Who even wants peace with them? Just keep hitting them for a year and even the famed "Core Group" will fade away.

In the words of Hunter S. Thompson: "Buy the ticket. Take the ride." Or perhaps Kurt Vonnegut is more appropriate: "Here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why"

Pride is worthless and so is honor. Take all your whiny garbage about that utter bullshit and shove it. Honor especially just turns a competent leader into an asshat in seconds. Time for you to catch up on what the rest of the game learned long ago. Drama is good and so are the salted wounds screaming for revenge. Even your pathetic honor can't hold out on that forever. It will succumb, every sinner has a past, be it more sin or sainthood.

I see those brownies finally kicked in

Saving this for the next time TKR demands or is in a coalition that demands anything other than white peace/surrender.

Considering arrgh does seem to have somewhat hit both spheres are those relevant stats being added to our sphere's stats or subtracted from arrgh's net stats on your side?

Hi I’m from Polaris. As a member of Vanguard we do not engage in conflict because we’re a bunch of pusseis;. So join and have your dream come true. Polaris: https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=2358

Way too many micros these days, they can really suck sometimes

I mean, you gave up an alliance with a cool theme to remake this boring one, and didn't even have the decency to hand NCR over or disband it, (meaning that name is locked until all those inactives cease to exist) and you get couped alot so it's a pretty reasonable assumption to make.

They'll get couped, and then they'll disband. It's the micros way of life.

Best of luck at disbanding!

@Ameyuri, @katashimon13 and I travelled around Orbis like this about a year ago and it was pretty cool. I am sure you will have a lot of fun. You are more than welcome to visit CoS. Edit: I guess Charlie Traveler will be a legitimate name as of now.

Find this screen and click the blue button to avoid all wars.

hmmm yes, please click "delete my nation" and go play farmville

I'm looking to add a lot of new National Projects to the game to increase diversity, specialization, and dynamism in-game (while giving larger nations more to do and more options to pick from.) So expect a lot of posts like these. Initially I'd just like to get feedback on the ideas and proposals for number tweaks. Name: Naval Air Support System (NASS) Description: Converts some fraction of your nation's navy to 'aircraft carriers' or ships capable of defending against aircraft. What it does: Allows your ships to fight back against attacking aircraft. Each ship would count as the equivalent of 1 Aircraft in defensive airstrikes targeting your navy. Example: Assuming two 20 city nations, maxed out in military, each would have 1800 Aircraft and 300 Ships. This means that the attacker would be facing 2100 "aircraft" when doing an Aistrike on ships if the defender had this project (about a 16% boost.) This would not directly impact ships destroyed, but it would increase the number of offensive casualties and reduce the likelihood of offensive success. Proposed Cost: 2,000 Steel, 5,000 Aluminum, $40,000,000 --- Now, please offer your thoughts. Numbers could be tweaked from each ship being "1 aircraft" to the cost of the project.

I think you think Chris is someone different than who he is. Our Chris has no affiliation with Project-Terra, or any game like this until he started working with me here. He also doesn't have development access to fix something like this. I'll look at solving this right now. EDIT: The issue was a minor bug in the code that caused the calculated and recorded value for the cost of infrastructure destroyed in missile attacks to be calculated as the value between 0 and the infrastructure in the city before the attack. This bug has been fixed now, so the values should be properly recorded going forward, but unfortunately there's no way to correct the stored value. In theory, you could calculate the correct value yourself however using the recorded amount of infrastructure destroyed along with the recorded city infrastructure before the attack and run the calculation manually yourself using the infrastructure pricing formula.

A simple solution that I'd implement is to put a "safe trade" option in the account settings. When it's on, making a trade offer that's buys an offer for more than 200% of the average market of the value will result in a box popping up asking ”ARE YOU SURE DUDE????" Same with selling something, except if it's 50% or less of the average price. This way, those who keep making trading mistakes have the option of giving themselves a safety net, those who pay attention can spend 5 seconds turning it off like it's confetti, and most trade mistakes should be prevented. Edit: You could also make the ranges at which the safe trade is set at adjustable for the user

Petition to change the war name to the Apathy War, because neither side gives a flying rainbow colored stoned on meth hippogriff shit about when it ends or how utterly pointless its become at this point.

Typhon is actually handling like 40% of the declares down below. Typhon, as an alliance and political entity, is basically who you call in to suppress beaten down 0-10 city nations, and for that, they'll always be relevant. The bigger criticism is, why Typhon? Other alliances can force build nations up to 15 cities within the span of a week, while Typhon just sits at the 0-10 range indefinitely. Typhon definitely provides a service to the community as a dedicated lower-tier suppression alliance, but it is not necessarily good for its members.

We're a lot better than everyone says we are. Zephyr is a good guy who has a right to be punishing people for war dodging. We only run a 20/20 tax rate which is better than some higher level alliances and there is a special tax rate for anyone who uses Discord, pushing it down to 15/15. The only reason we use the 'special' 50/50 tax rate is for war dodgers, and I think that it is fair because the price you pay in military upkeep and rebuild of military after wars can be as much as a 50/50 tax rate if you are in war all the time. I have seen nothing but good things and a little bit of trolling in my time at this alliance. There's not much that I can complain about, if anything at all. We give grants up to city ten and then we allow you to do more through requestive funding because of our taxes due to the amount of resources in our bank. We set quotas on Minimum Military Requirement (MMR) and this MMR is to make sure that when being attacked you have enough defence to protect yourself from a massive attack. The system in which messages are sent out is through a regular announcement message sent to all Typhon members notifying them of what has gone on during the past weeks and also what we should look out for in the next weeks. In my opinion, this alliance is one of the best alliances out there. Only if you are war dodging and then it's 50/50, otherwise it's normally 20/20, but we also have a 15/15 for Discord users. It's not a limit, we just don't have grants after 10 cities is all. We allow you to grow further but it has to come from your own income that way.

That is disgusting. Typhon is going to have to pay for their lax treatment of their members. The taxes should be 100%, and paying people to get nuked is weak shit. You got to put bounties on those you dislike, attrition, nuclear, and a missile bounty (there are missile bounties right?), and then hire Arrgh once the bounties have been claimed... that's the level one. When a new member joins, they should burn them to the ground, and inform the player that if they leave... well they're going to get raided until they delete their nation. "Anti-Semitic, racist 16 year old", that is quite disgusting. It has to be a "Anti-Semitic, racist, sexist, rapist, sixty-year old pedophile" or some shit. Obviously Typhon isn't trying hard enough. "They even have a guy that photoshops in game messages and discord messages", do they realize that they can just use html for the in game messages? No need to Photoshop... Aight, that's all I got to say. I am quite disappointed in Typhon, and that this wasn't a DOW, or a Civil War.

I mean if you're going to throw this many people under the bus you may as well share some evidence. Otherwise this is just baseless drama