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From The Desk of Uncle Traveling Matt The Best Nation Ever, Fraggle Rock Greetings!! This peace accords is trash. Many Hugs, Uncle Traveling Matt

All good things come to an end. So does my time in PW. It no longer fits with my RL and so i'm moving on. Shit's been fun. Sometimes vexing. No bad blood to anyone from me- it was all cool. Thanks for playing, maybe i'll see you around. Uhh, i've VM'ed and will be deleting from discord after i've said my personal goodbyes (no public shoutouts SORRY).

Lets go through the terms in a condensed form Article 1 and 2: Obvious end of the war. Article 3: cosmetic terms for various alliances. I can tell you the TEst ones come from the Mensa guys forcing people to write a Dio-based essay, so this is just a jab back. I fully expect something mocking Khorne. The GPA one is a result of our love for GPA, and the fact that it's what tCW effectively is in our opinion (and it's only a week). Article 4: Color names, if you care about this, you deserve more war. Article 5: War dodging, the main problem apparently. Some people VM'd legitimately, some people did not. During papers please TKR and friends issued a "no nation above 700 average infra" clause in the wars peace terms. This is basically no different. The people who tried to hide from damage, legitimately or not, need to have a certain infra level. Article 6: The answer to fake paperless alliances. Article 7: Arrgh was in perma-war with TKR for being pirates. Call it square and let them pirate, unless they pirate you, then defend against those pirating you. There are no "harsh" terms anywhere in there if you look at the history of terms imposed by alliances in this game. If any of these terms are too unacceptable, a coalition wide payment of 10B per term that needs to be removed could probably be arranged.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No peace terms, only white peace (cit.) Also fixed

No no no, we can't have peace yet!!! ... the war dodger clause should absolutely count both ways, IMO. frick ALL the deserters, not just the ones from the losing side; at least they had a reason.

From The Desk of Uncle Traveling Matt The Best Nation of Fraggle Rock Greetings again Friends!! This was quick. On the authority of Ripper, I, Uncle Traveling Matt, am taking over this process. First off...all of what Ripper wrote is out the window. New Terms: Fraggle gets 85% of all reps. So our starting point is as follows: Peace for all for the low price of 19 billion cash, 200k Gas, 200 Alum, 200k Uranium. Wire it all to me. The war is over. Many Hugs Uncle Traveling Matt

Sort of pointless for it to oblige side A to do so, since it's already on their best interest to cleanse their own deserters.

If only my private negotiations had come through, we would've had peace, but alas. My gracious terms were rejected, shown here in an re-enactment.

So the quality of life problem that I have with the war screen is that there is no timeline link to the war on your war screen unless it's finished. Now, this isn't a mechanic or a necessary change, but it just makes it a lot more convenient and saves time, rather than having to click on every nation you're fighting individually and check the timeline for your stats for that war. So all it would do is have that timeline link at the end somewhere next to your current wars so you can check out the stats for the wars you're currently fighting straight from the war screen. I can't be the only one that would get on their knees for this addition.

Ah, it's the old "Everyone in the coalition submit the terms you want and we'll just forward them all along"

Dear citizens of Orbis, Since the terms that are the main topic of the peace negotiations for the current on-going war are no secret (and the corresponding document has been circulated openly to the membership of several alliances), it has been decided to officially present them to the public. This thread is by no means a part of the official negotiations, for which a Discord server is already used by leaders and representatives of alliances participating to the war. Enjoy debating. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article I - Cessation of hostilities Article II - Official Surrender Article III - Public Statements / Announcements Article IV - Color Blocs Article V - War-dodgers Article VI - Fairness in Trading Article VII - Secret Treaties Article VIII - Giving Piracy a Chance Apendix I- Coalitions Apendix II - War-dodgers

Possibly multiple notifications one at 5 days, 2.5 days, and 1 day. Would make it easier on people who buy it only at expiry dates.

The war will continue until TheNG recognizes that I am the New and Improved Pigeon

Honestly, I have a deep respect for anyone at the top of the "units lost" leaderboards. Being there proves that for all the war you're doing, you mean it; you're not plugging away at zeroed or inactive nations, but rather fighting people with military that are using it. After all what's better: getting dogpiled and rolling over, or getting dogpiled and fighting like hell anyway?

A misclick is usually fixable on trading just simply deleting right after after it's posted. With the bot, they don't have that option and it's constantly retrieving the information. Point of the matter is, we don't like it and we're rectifying it. You're free to continue posturing against IQ but I don't care. Your analogy is trash as leaving your bike unattended doesn't excuse the theft. Feel free to make the thieves into the good guys. It's totally not transparent.

No one is going after them. They have the option to sell their infra, as you can see in the terms. If their alliance loves them so much, they can just rebuild them with their own funds. Sell down to 1k and then just rebuild. That easy. I see no reason (from an IC point of view) to let nations again and again VM and then get "punished" by their alliances by getting taxed. These taxes are used to rebuild faster the alliances that were hit. Believe it or not, some alliances want to cause as much damage as possible to the opposing side and having VMers coming back post-war to rebuild the rest is not really appreciated. Also... these nations are not punished. They get exactly the same treatment as their team-mates. The non-VMed TCW nations are at 1k infra level. The VMers will get to that level too. "Punishment" would imply that they get special treatment and worse terms than their team-mates, which is not the case.

Knowing that certain terms put a bad taste in your opponent's mouth, them not being necessary to achieving IC goals, and proposing them regardless while in a position of power due to the way the war has turned out (and not due to general superlative command of military or economy) is a good way to set a precedent you really don't want to be setting. A position of power granted due to winning a war isn't so tenable, anyway. Just something to consider.

Guess they can go to war to get the bot to be allowed again. Or stay in perma war to keep it going. The choice is theirs. There are no bandwagon terms, unless you count SK's term of requiring GOB to post something about cereal. Not that SK was really a bandwagon. Anyway, you'd think to really get any sort of reps an alliance would have to be a major part in the war. If UPN showed up demanding they get money, with how they performed they'd get laughed at. They probably would've gotten laughed at even if they performed well (pro-tip Under never performs). Now if an oppertunist alliance tries to jump on them as the war is wrapped up that's another matter, and they'd probably be effed shortly after the main forces pulled out (heh). And as Shiho said, no one's asking for money.

Bye Partisan, glad to see things went out on a high note. Good luck out there.

I don't think it's about wanting to protect VM users, I think it's more about either punishing all of them even on the winning side, or who and how gets to punish their war-dodgers.

I think having peace terms for the entire coalition is already wrong For example I can accept some peace terms with the core of the coalition that attacked us, but if you used this chance to hit our protectorates it's another thing Single alliances should have separate peace terms

Came for the war trash talk, stayed for the therapy sessions. Now if only someone could throw a chair or something i'd be terribly obliged.

I have been suffering from this every 2 months. If you don't do the notification, could the images (military, city, religion, ) at least be saved so I don't have to re-add them after I rebuy VIP?

Something, somewhere has gone horribly wrong, yes. How so? Three of the largest mass-recruitment alliances want a fourth mass-recruitment alliance to join them in making trading more accessible. Bots that immediately accept bad trades are most harmful to new or inexperienced players. And IQ would have to reciprocate by policing its own members in the same way it wants TKR to.

In my opinion, Articles 1,2,4,6,8 should be accepted easily. Articles 3 and 5 are up for discussion. I see the point in hitting the war deserters, but I also believe that should be left up to the individual alliances. As for Article 3, I think those are best left out. 1. Not better, lots of people will be upset AFTER this war ends. 2. Nah, light peace terms are the best.

Ask Alexio!

I had a nuke once...shot it into something called a "Vital defense system"..... Weirdest thing I ever saw....

And fun don’t forget fun

I'm a simple man. I see Ripper, I upvote.

Way too wordy. Waaay too many terms. I sure as hell wouldn’t accept it till it was trimmed down to something more manageable. EDIT: Looking through these more closely, the only ones that I like are the AoD, Color Bloc, and War Dodgers. The rest is just too much. The Arrgh one seems odd. It’s allowing Arrgh the initiative to raid TKR, and TKR can only reply once a hit happens. Should just push for a blanket NAP there. Fairness in Trading is a odd demand too. Public Statements, while lulzy, that’s a lot there to pay attention too.

Or, if people dont want to be ripped of by their own mistake, they could just double check whenever posting trades.

It isn't only Kosonome that uses it. He just made it and all of TKR uses it. Some may not be as willing to give stuff back. In the past people like Woot only would make the art thing available to allies. All in all the bot push notifying people about mistrades right away before the person can fix them isn't a good thing and people have made a lot of money off the mistrades while leveraging in-game power to avoid reproach. No one else could get away with doing it without political backlash.

Going after people that went into VM, for whatever reason they did so is punitive. If they need to be punished that should be up to their own alliances, not you. Enlighten me please.

Throws you the share ball. Whats on your mind?

All of the terms submitted have been accepted by all the members of the coalition, while others have been rejected. Proposed terms that give any kind of military, economy or political advantage after this war never passed through this filter.

Surrendering party? Are you giving up?

who's BC?

Well if you tried to force any actually meaningful terms on them they'd opt to just burn the tens of billions of cash and resources fighting this forever instead. At least this way its mildly amusing.

While I'm not a fan of the joke terms in Article 3, the rest of the terms seen fair.

Well now Buorhann, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. BK doesn't have ties, those are all merely mergers in progress. It's little distinctions like that which are important in FA, can't mess it up.

I stopped reading halfway through your guy’s back and forth and I don’t think I’m the only one. Seeker, it’s obvious you just didn’t like Max’s comments, it’s not the first time you beat up on smaller allinces because of comments made you didn’t like, for example, Assassin Order. So just admit it and get off your high horse.

Not a fan of moving declaration ranges from score to cities, even in very rare circumstances. The nice thing about the current war range system is that it gives pros and cons to certain choices. Buy up to 3k infra? Your score is now inflated. Stockpiled 50 missiles and nukes? Your score is now inflated. Max ground and navy when it was completely unnecessary? Your score is now inflated. I think if someone is dumb enough to make all these mistakes, they should be majorly downdeclared for it. If a 33 city guy gets shredded down to no military and 900 infra per city, him fighting back with soldier spams to either win on the ground or force the enemy to spam soldier airstrikes is the one chance he has to fight back. I understand why someone would want to prevent insane down declares, but there's a reason why these declares were in range. They're annoying, but not broken and definitely not unbeatable.

Just going to point out that many people are failing to realize the side effects of this "upgrade" to the war system. First: It's going to make lower tier cohesion even more OP, as the enemy literally won't be able to hit back. If I fall to the range of where basically the enemy coalition has people with 9 cities, why is it unreasonable for me to try to help out my friends? (To even fall to such a range, I need to have my entire military depleted and be very low on infra, well below the 800 per city, and usually the 9 city folk in-range are at max mil) Second: The current war system provides a way to handle such things. We did so in our war against TGH/KT. So, all you are really encouraging by this change is to allow for even less competency requirements to be able to fight. The only way to make that balanced/fair is to hardcap updeclares as well, which as @Akuryo pointed out is a pretty stupid idea.

Being that a moderator of yours, negan/cynic, decided to steal a bank, delete his nation...allegedly has multis and is an all-around shit member of this community........with also adding that while I was a moderator Negan only showed up to collect cash on the first of every month, will he be removed from the moderator staff? Clearly, not the type of person @Alex advertised. Not sure I'd like any moderator in that position just sitting there banking creds every month and doing nothing to engage and support the community. Fire him and bring me back, I'll get this community back in shape and help make moderation great again. #MMGA

instead of joining in on a dogpile, why not grow a pair and hit their treaty partners? difficult wars not your thing? i get it but this is just ~lame~