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It's worth noting, just as an FYI for those newer here, that Rose was allied to WTF long before NB ever existed. Which is evidence to the divergent political paths that support it being past time to remove official ties (not to say that politics are the only factor to consider, but I already covered the other factors in my above post).

Oof, I haven’t used my forum account in almost 3 years but I feel like it’s time I break out of my shell considering I am the FA Head and Co Lead of Rose. I would like to clear the air of any argument or confusion about us ending the treaty with WTF. This was decided because Dynamic and myself were reviewing treaties that were going to expire and WTF was up next, he asked if we should automatically propose another treaty and I advised that we send them a message about it and see where it goes. We sent a message and a week had passed, no response. I talked with some older members that had been in gov previously in Rose about WTF since I was only a member for almost 4 years in Rose. I was told that relations with WTF were great but both alliances had been growing apart and weren’t as communicative as before, which had been shown recently to be following this trend. So I advised Dynamic to send WTF a 72 hour notice that was will be cancelling the treaty and not renewing due to this trend of growing apart, different agendas and ideals, and lack of communication between our alliances. We only wish the best of luck to WTF and their future endeavors. We made a forum post in honor to our long history with WTF, not to cause an issue. To the nay sayers who like to slander Rose’s reputation by saying we didn’t come to WTF’s aid when TKR hit, don’t speak for other alliances you’re not a part of. We talked with WTF and agreed that Rose could not help in their situation due to us leading the front in the war against IQ. I don’t know any alliance that can fight off Acadia, NPO, BK, and Cornerstone and then be called a terrible ally because they couldn’t fight off TKR and tCW as well. I apologize to Nuke Bloc that they were struck at an inopportune time, and applaud TKR for strategically striking an alliance while their allies were tied. Lastly, don’t play the victim card apeman because you didn’t like getting rolled, just like when you struck Ockey from Oblivion, a Rose protectorate, then tried to blame Rose whenever we responded before the turn changed because you didn’t want to be rolled. You misrepresent Nuke bloc with your actions and embarrass Nuclear Knights with your tongue. You reap what you sow, so stop playing the victim card and using Rose as a scapegoat for your incompetence and start by helping your alliance in a more positive way.

Plain and simple. No need to enforced it for nations gone for a short while, but if you're gone for 2000+ turns you shouldn't have access to alliance affairs and orbis central.

Through Sacrifice and Unity Comes Strength Ordo Paradoxia Declaration of Existence It was a few days after May full moon night on the 29th, that the famous Prophets, High Priests, Apostles and Acolytes from the sects of Defcon 1, Frostbite and Western Union were gathered in the Holy Temple to discuss about the past, the present and the future of Planet Orbis and their roles in it. Fαsting for 3 days and praying, the Ouroboros enlightened them and showed them the path for Strength, through Sacrifice and Unity. The existing sects have been sacrificed and unified and a new Order was born: Ordo Paradoxia. Our Acolytes march forth. The night grows long and the serpent grows hungry. The Ouroboros demands blood … We are outnumbered. The valor of our men stretched to the brink. The enemy? Merciless. Our allies expect defeat. Yet, the Ouroboros thrives from its own death. The cyclic Nature of the Universe: creation out of destruction, Life out of Death. We are fated for Victory! Some fight for warlords. We fight for a new age. Our might will inspire generations of warriors and strike fear in the hearts of our enemies. We are Ordo Paradoxia! With our fangs a manifestation of our ferocity and our scripture a realization of the Truth. Once the pride of a glorious dynasty, our legend is soon to be rewritten … It is time for you to fight for something greater than yourself… “Novus ordo seclorum!” (A new order of the ages) Prophets (Leaders) Cowboy Cynic Valkorion Baratheon High Priests (High Government) Alexandros o Megas (Foreign Affairs) Alrea (Internal Affairs) Cianuro (Economic Affairs) Simpleton (Military Affairs) Apostles (Lower Government) Amid Bin al Rasheed (Foreign Affairs) NightKnight (Internal Affairs) HiredGun & Night (Economic Affairs) Ayman & Impreza (Military Affairs)

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This has be rehashed multiple times with IQ and company, but all the treaty lawyering is really quite irrelevant to the matter at hand here. I understand that Rose and WTF discussed the situation during our wars and came to an agreed upon conclusion. Debating that now is redundant. While I personally like WTF a lot and greatly appreciate our history together, I also find it daft to say that there was no reason to cancel this treaty. Rose has gone through two major structural and leadership changes over the time that we've been allied. The original proponents of our treaty are long gone and it's honestly ridiculous to hold the opinion that one should not cancel a treaty between two alliances that have simply grown apart over the years. WTF understands that, as well, and we wished each other the best. The fact of the matter is, Placentica, you're trying to make an issue where there really isn't one.

Says the guy who plotted to hit Roses protectorate alongside Hogwarts, I assume without telling your best buddy WTF, then betraying your own ally TKR and helping to hide that alliance inside your own to presumably protect your complicity in the plan. Not only that, but that very situation was part of the CB TKR used to go after nuke bloc in the first place. So good job getting all your allies rolled and blaming it on Rose who was already in the middle of a larger conflict, and chose not to throw all their other allies under the bus by splitting their focus (they had multiple MD allies in the conflict), to defend your treacherous ass on an OD treaty. Thats not even pointing out the obvious case that it was an OD treaty, and WTF never defended Rose when they were rolled in NPO's first time, nor helped them in Silent War.

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Congrats Polaris! An excellent protectorate if I ever did see one. o/

It's been a few months now and I am really enjoying the dynamics and challenges being the leader of Rose has brought. After settling in, we've decided to make a slight turn on our FA journey. Rose values all of our treaties, and our allies play a role in shaping the future of our alliances. At this moment, Rose has decide to focus in on our current allies, and seek to take new risks and meddle in uncharted territory. Part of this process is evaluating our old ties and making sure we can both be beneficial to each other. Today, Rose will be cutting ties with Nuke Bloc, by ending our ties with the World Task Force. It's been an honor to fight and work alongside them during my time as leader, and there is so much history in our relationship. The original treaty was signed in 2015, long before many of our members (including myself) were even a part of the picture. With our 72-hour notice provided on Sunday, the treaty has been cancelled at the time of posting. We wish them the best of luck going forward. Signed for Rose, Sovereign, Dynamic Regent, J.A. Goldington Vizer of State, Mhearl Vizer of State, Ameyuri tl;dr - Rose cancels our treaty with World Task Force, effectively ending a long relationship between Rose and NB.

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Wait, nations in Vacation Mode have the ability to post on the OWF? Why would you do this? Deadass y'all, why would you do this. If your nation is in VM, you are probably on holiday, or saving children in third-world countries, taking exams, or lawyering up after deleting Facebook and hitting the gym.

Every time an erstwhile member of last war's anti-IQ coalition trashes another former member in public, an NPO nation gets their next city, and at this rate, they'll all be cracking 20 cities soon ? Great work guys!

I was the one that explained to WTF why we would not be able to help them in the war due to our current war with IQ. They completely understood so I’m not sure where you are getting your information from, but it’s not correct. I have the logs if you want them!

Stay platinum, baby! ?

We all know Lordship is secretly Archon Anyways, good luck OP! I had some fun with the frostbite crew, and I recognize a few names from way back on the TE boards. Should be a fun time. Just remember the basic formula: coup cynic, become successful.

Global Warming is REAL! It took Frostbite guys. ;(

So, since I'm tired of hearing this, and I'm now hearing it from multiple angles, Fark waved us off. We actually had a video made and were gearing up, but Fark told us not to get involved. The reasoning was twofold. 1. It was a Nukebloc war, and we were not a Nukebloc alliance. We signed Fark because they're cool and we like each other. We weren't trying to be baby NB. 2. We would have got rolled into oblivion going after TKR. We would have accomplished nothing and got ourselves beat to shit in the process. Funny thing is, you agreed to this logic at the time, and you told Queen not to come in to a lost war. Funnier thing, we no longer have those messages because you appear to have blocked Queen on discord. Isn't it all just so funny? So can you two can it finally? Satisfied?

TKR was rumored to be a counter to Rose, if Rose did indeed split from the war with IQ and counter on behalf of Nuke Bloc against Guardian/tCW. They were being baited, but they were also very occupied and distracted. Would you fight a two front war between the biggest member count alliances (TKR/BK/NPO)? Granted it would've been amusing to see Guardian/TKR/GOB/tCW fight alongside with IQ + Friends. You're right though, those fighting Nuke Bloc weren't stupid. They hit at the right time while everybody was occupied. Forcing allies of allies to make a decision. Strategically, it was good, can't deny it. PR wise, I don't know if it was the best of moves, but that all depends how allies of Nuke Bloc feel during that time, honestly. I know how I would feel personally if I was stuck in that situation. Not quite sure about #3. If you're thinking Spy Ops, those were regularly being used to counter BK's efforts, as Rose and TGH were the only ones that had a decent number of Spies left, iirc. Rose is their own. KT/TGH are admittedly on their own here. We don't expect them to intervene or assist us in any thing (Although if there was an offer, we certainly wouldn't turn it down). In any case, while I can't officially speak on Rose's behalf, if I was in their situation - I'd acknowledge that WTF were good allies, but I'd also point out that we've waited till well after the war before we began any separation. However, I'm not aware of any of Rose's plans or what the internal situation was between those two allies. If an alliance was to cut ties with me, I'd be glad it'd be during a time of peace and after some time of a war (If one had kicked off).

Knights of The Blood Oath Our Oath †With the sword we protect our comrades, while the hostile sheds blood, we share both royalty and loyalty. To defend and protect those that are unable and to always fight with Honor.† We Vow To To serve in valor and faith To protect the weak and defenseless To live by honor and for glory To despise pecuniary reward To fight for the welfare of all To obey those placed in authority To guard the honor of fellow knights To eschew unfairness, meanness, and deceit To keep faith At all times to speak the truth To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun To respect the honor of women Never to refuse a challenge from an equal Never to turn the back upon a foe We stand by Faith Charity Justice Sagacity Prudence Temperance Resolution Truth Liberality Diligence Hope Valor K.o.B Government is The Immortal Council Immortal Knight of FA: Leo X Immortal Knight of IA: Parrish Immortal Knight of Econ: Heathcliff Advisor to the Immortal Knights: Upper Gov Grand Master of FA: Grand Master of IA: Grand Master of Econ: ROUGESHADOW567 Grand Master of Military: 1st Knight Commander: 2nd Knight Commander: 3rd Knight Commander Lower Gov Centurion of FA: Centurion of IA: Centurion of Econ: Centurion of Military: Centurion of recruitment: ALL Members Must Join Our Discord Our Discord: K.o.B Message The Immortal Knight of FA for any FA inquiries We protect those in our alliance and those we have treaties with declaring war with one of us Is declaring war on all of us. Treaties: Protected by The Nordic Sea Raiders (NSR) NAP: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) MDoAP: Co-TIN (CTN), The Dixie Union, Brotherhood Of Steel, The Cult of the BrandFather, United Nations MDP: Golden Phoenix Coalition (GPC), Confederate States of Orbis (CSO) PIAT: WE ARE NOW PRORECTED BY POLARIS Polaris signatories: AlmightyGrub, WSxPhoenix,, Kriegskoenig, Pentix, Dajobo, EaTeMuP, Eva-Beatrice, MoN

Good work to those who made this possible.

Heh, you'll come to the conclusion that, in this game, democracy is an absolute waste of time. Of course incompetent leaders seize power, thus the importance of trusting competent leaders with power in an autocratic alliance. Most P&W members have no clue whatsoever about the game's politics, so decision making should be up to those who are indeed familiar with the political / alliance landscape of the game. I do agree that leaders shouldn't stay that long in power. However, and contrary to what you said, a long time leader can keep things interesting - just look at TEst's leader, who often got the alliance in wars during his time (about a year iirc) in power when the old TEst was still around. I only get democracy in P&W as another role play aspect of the game. Apart from that it consumes time that should be invested in what really matters. It's been widely proven in this game. If you have shitty leaders, the alliance will necessarily be shit - then it doesn't matter if it's an autocracy or a democracy. Thing is, democracy just opens the door for incompetent people to get into gov over more competent but also more unpopular people. Democracy is what ultimately brought alliances with potential (like UPN back in the day) to their knees. Not even gonna talk about Valkyrie because that basically turned into a meme alliance due to their tendency to vote on everything. Can you make it work as a democracy? Yes. Is it the best way to go about things? As proven time and time again in this game, no.

I'm not sure whether the suggestion is worth the effort, but it wouldn't preclude vacation mode players from viewing the forums; it would only prevent them from posting. All they'd have to do is log out and they'd be able to see everything.

Pretty hilarious how you all are jumping on a comment that wasn't even specifically aimed at you guys, are you thin skinned or something? It's pretty common sense that as you get more members, if you do not have the staff or resources to handle the demand then your overall quality is going to decrease. You're certainly risking that by taking in more members from Atlas of all places. Good luck with the merger. If you wana go down that road go ahead I won't stop you, but considering your net damage totals were among the worst in our coalition I wouldn't use that angle if I were you ?

You sure do have a rather large set of stones your carrying around these days.....lol

Which does House Stark have again?

The NSR flag supposedly depicts Jörmungandr, while Ordo Paradoxia supposedly depicts Ouroboros. That being said, the serpent image used is the same.

Well that was quick.

I honestly can't understand why Rose ever treatied any of NB to begin with. This just based on the attitude of you all. Here you are, dragging an ex-ally's name through the mud, because they had the audacity not to protect you from TKR of all things, while fully committing to fighting IQ. Something which, of course, Nuclear Knights for example, was only willing to do with a few one-off raids. Sorry boys but somebody has to say this. You talk like Rose just sat there and watched their brand new Maserati slide off a cliff and didn't move mountains to stop it, despite being held at gunpoint at mobsters. What actually happened, is that a random Yugo slid off the cliff, while aforementioned mobsters ended up in a gunfight. Face it, you're just not worth even a fractal iota of what you think are, the only people who value you at more than a penny are yourselves, and nobody is, nor should change their minds from that anytime soon.

Rose was fully involved with IQ. The breakup of the treaty was after the war was done (A month or so after). You're better off targeting alliances that weren't involved in any war and yet still had ties to Nuke Bloc but decided to not get involved.

Right, who let this tumor expand? Someone get some radiotherapy to kill it off.

We already had Paradoxia which turned into Terradoxia and then went into BoC which split into Order of Storms and dying BoC which then turned into Zodiac which then had a mass exodus post IQ war into AIM. Now we have a new Paradoxia... ?

An alliance of Assassins signing a dead alliance?

On behalf of Pantheon I would like to thank the Dark Brotherhood for their continued support, and we look forward to continuing to work closely with you guys in the future!

More like big egos really.

Big personalities

"Look at my e-peen. Look at it. Im cool and you're not. Here's a public service announcement. Boo hoo."

It's been a good run, WTF. It's unfortunate but not unexpected that we grew apart. Thank you for the years of friendship.

Took Queen Ms word for it. I see you found the person that was spurned by his alliance and left out in the cold.

Lmfao what a bunch of bullshit Pinochet memes are death threats Holy frick, looks like we're dealing with a bunch of nematodes here. No fricking spine. What's next? Arrgh member sends you a meme with "you're gonna walk the plank matey" and suddenly you feel harassed? Christ, stick to drinking soylent. Looks like anything that taunts commies or radical leftists triggers you. If it does, then pick a theme that when taunted won't trigger you.

Considering TRF once said Vlad was harassing their members because he said hi to one once, I take what they have to say about us with a grain of salt these days. Everyone knows that there are members in KT and TGH who like to be edgy, some of it goes overboard. However I highly doubt anyone has issued death threats because if they have that is more of a matter for Alex to handle than anyone else. Your whole history has been hiding behind allies. Your alliance publicly admitted wanting drama in this game, don't blame others about making enemies because of that. You've never tried to fix any relations, you're quite happy making enemies out of us so drop the bs that this is a move to protect yourselves. This is a move for you to continue your current ways, causing drama and hiding behind allies.

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You constantly have this mentality that it makes you look less worse if you cancel on people first. I really hope no one is buying that. Nor did you have any reason to cancel WTF here, who has been nothing but an amazing ally to you while you have been a terrible one to WTF. I have no doubts that TCW/EMC sphere okay'ed it's attack on WTF with you prior. Way to backstab your former ally. I hope in the future someone treats you in the same way.

hi i'm buorhann i defend people who say the n word and also like to sign treaties where slurs are involved in the announcement i'm also going to pretend i don't condone these actions

Old news. The helicopter thing is a reference to suspected leftists being thrown from helicopters as a form of execution. I should clarify, no one has ever said "I'm going to kill you", at least not to me. But those dogwhistles are getting used, and at least one person in NSR, which I believe is TGH adjacent but that might be me drawing too much from forum content, has posted calls for trans people to commit suicide and pictures of victims of hate crimes.