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Well, see, what you're currently suffering from is the late stages of unstable equilibrium, where losing an alliance war in the current mechanics of the war system leads to a complete inability to play the game pretty much at all and being wholly at the mercy (and inevitably, if not immediately or currently, the lack thereof) of hostile alliances. This kind of situation is indeed a legitimate issue and you are completely correct in both your assessment of the problem and its' extent. There are more options available to you though beyond just missiles and nukes, however. They don't include deleting your nation, so don't do that. (How you got to 19 cities without understanding raiding or submarine tactics though is beyond me, and in light of that your ignorance worries me greatly, bub.) What's really important though is that you are correct. At best, you're still losing. You are going to be triple teamed and your military zeroed out almost instantly out of beige, and there is now nothing you can personally do about it. Your opponents have your score range well locked down, and you don't have enough allies in that range to help. (Again, I'm not sure how you got that many cities without understanding the risks involved.) This kind of thing is why I'm so cheesed off that people supported the fortify nerf. Pre-nerf, you'd at least have been able to fight constantly and effectively using nukes/missiles against your opponents no matter how overwhelming the wealth and power gap between you and them may have been; now, your options are needlessly limited and the constant looting cycle causes your alliances' defeat to hit your side harder and cost the victorious side less, which is exactly the wrong way for balance to go in a perpetual game. ... What, were you expecting me to say 'get gud' or 'rekt' or 'lol u salty'? Of course you were, you literally said so, with salt. All of those apply, obviously, but I agree with your concerns completely. The mechanics DO favor the victorious more than they should, and I've argued that ever since the fortify nerf was even proposed. This isn't a game that should be able to be completely and utterly won in perpetuity, by anyone, because that is how these games die. I've seen that happen almost a dozen times due to the players and/or developers not respecting how utterly awful things can get for everyone, winner and loser both, when perpetual games are "won".

Now, I understand real life shit happens. Thats not the issue here. If the people in question are busy, then that's totally fine. However, you have to understand that there's room for skepticism. The fact that both nations in question entered VM at the exact beginning of the war. Have regularly logged into their nations daily. Continue editing on the wiki. Have time to post massive roleplay texts in the roleplay section of the forums. It's hard for me and I'm sure others to believe that there's truly not "enough time" to fight. I have nothing personal against the people in question and if there is a medical issue at hand I wish them well. However I take issue with war dodgers, especially government members whom are supposed to take leadership roles and be there for their members. Now I know throughout the past there's been problems with calling out war dodgers, because none of us know whats going on in people's lives. But seeing people in VM be regularly logging in, editing their wiki pages, roleplaying on the forums and being discord active, you begin to connect the dots and draw conclusions. Again, if there's medical issues, I wish that person to be well.

Just when we were having so much fun with Rose, they brought more friends!

These scenes you are about to see are from our hidden camera in the latest NB war meeting! And this my friends is why our good friend lolbrok is no longer in power

Real Talk: Get better soon and hope it's all good. PnW Shit Talk: Is this the same hospital where LPS works at?

It's not that they needed help, it's just that so many people wanted to roll you and decided to take you up on your invitation to hit you. Maybe next time don't invite the entire world to hit you? Perhaps you should consider sending individual invitations instead of open ones?

So in essence you declared on an M-level ally of your M-level ally. On one hand, good to see you don’t give a shit about treaty chess. On the other hand, I’d like to see how DS handles this

So ODN has been in a losing war over the past few rounds. The first round I got taken by surprise, although I had my airforce maxed as I always do in peacetime in event of raiding. Even so I wasn't able to hold my own. But by the time I came out of beige I had completely maxed my military: ground forces, aircraft, ships. It got wiped out again literally within one turn. Not one day: one turn. (Yeah, I'm new to war. I didn't know to expect this. I know none of what I'm saying is new to most people who are reading this thread but spare me taunts about my noobishness, thx.) I'm currently on round three of this cycle. My nukes were spied away daily while I was on beige. Although I knew it wouldn't do me much good, I rebought planes, but didn't rebuy ground forces because tanks cost so much steel and I knew it would go within one turn. That meant that when they ground attacked me I couldn't hit back with planes due to ground control. Air superiority swiftly followed. It means I'm unable to even get one hit back while they raze me once again because even when I have the same number of units, I can't use all of them. Literally all that I can do is fortify. As most people who will be reading this thread know, that leaves nukes and missiles, which you can at least fire without air superiority or ground control being a problem. But unlike The Game Which Must Not Be Named (at least in its early stages), nukes aren't as devastating in this game. (Which is dumb, because they're supposed to be nuclear missiles.) Conventional attacks are far more value for MAPs. But even nukes are not convenient to purchase once the war has actually started. I was purchasing them the entire time I was on beige and simply had them spied away each day. I don't know what should be done about this, but something needs to change. I don't mind being utterly wrecked in a war, but I think it's dumb that the system is set up so that I can't land a single hit and I end up with zero MAPs at the end of each battle while my opponents have 75-100. Removing air superiority/ ground control etc, or making it harder to get, could help. At least in The Game Which Must Not Be Named when I was rolled in wars from time to time, I could always hit back, even if I suffered disproportionate loss. If the war system doesn't change, I honestly intend to delete my nation. Again, not because I can't take a beating, but because the entire reason I built my nation in the first place was so that when I was ready I could fight some great wars. There is no point in accumulating pixels for its own sake: that's why it's called politics and *war*. I know I'll be accused of crying etc etc but I honestly don't care. It's not crying; it's pointing out legitimate issues in the war mechanic. Accuse away and observe my complete indifference.

Usually when an opponent has been utterly beaten, they surrender under whatever terms their opponent demands. It's only in pnw that the default response to being completely annihilated is to stubbornly hold out until your opponent gets bored of smashing your face into the ground and okays white peace. This is a diplomacy problem, not a mechanics problem.

I was going to toss out that the beige timer should have a limit of say 5-6 days, and not 16 days like it is now for losing all 8 active wars. But as that would be extremely self serving to my current situation, I was going to wait till after our war ended to propose it. But because of daily military purchase limits, a losing nation needs to have some sort of attack free time to reload, or if you lose a war in the first round, you are basically done with out the beige timer. That being said, if you do any root cause analysis here i think you will see the beige mechanic isn't your issue, I think it probably goes all the way back to the way your war mechanics work. Increasing the damage or removing beige all together is probably going to cause those freak outs from the player base that seem to happen every time you make a change like this.

10% of infra if beiged beige is only induced if you have 3 defensive wars only, being on offense doesn't beige you. Sucks to have a crappy blitz/get countered.

Was going to make a post sassing you about reading comprehension and some people having friends in real life that like to play games together. Then I realized that your report/troll is so low effort that it wasn't worth me putting effort into a response. So... No.

Only a month ago you severely reduced the damage and loot of beiges, and now this?

This was reported and dismissed a year ago. I would advise you to please read the second and third sentence in the screenshot you provided.

So in essence, lich and arya have no understanding of basic FA. But thats ok, it makes it more entertaining looking in from the outside

For TKR to cucked

Thats literally the point of VM. RL > PnW

Because IQ is actually winning in that tier.

When you end up in the hospital, you start to not care so much about a nation sim.

Acadia has been hiding a tone of food in their banks! House Tyrell of Highgarden declares war on Acadia! On behalf of Boki @#$% you IQ! Signed Queen: NoOne Hand of the Queen: Lich King Lord of Whispers Bran Stark Lord of Wars Alan Lee Lord of Coins Havelock

Is Eva, Imperial Officer of Polaris going to keep running or will Eva come out and fight to defend her fellow alliance mates? Come back in 7 hours to find out!

First and foremost, you need to realize that unless you drastically change the War module of this game - war slot filling will always be an issue, whether it's with beige mechanics or not. Also, if defensive wars are the only ones that will get you beiged, that will not fix the issue you're having right now. Maybe a little bit, but you'll still run into the same thing you're having here. Second, like earlier, you can't keep altering your stance on the matter based on the number of reports. You initially set the precedent that as long as damage was done, it's not war slot filling. If people are being beiged, that literally fits the rule to what you've set in months past regarding the issue. Third, you have to expect players to come up with creative ways to either find loopholes in the ruling or expand on new strategic moves. If beige is removed, then the opportunity of "coming back" in a war (What you've recently been pushing) is completely removed and people will be leaving the game in droves with some mass member alliances being capable to permanently sit on nations. Honestly, I'm not entirely opposed to that, but given the fact that there are several players having issues with the current war as it is - removing beige will simply exaggerate those issues. As for a solution? Without changing the entire war module to something more strategic and interesting to the playerbase, I don't have one yet on the top of my head. I think you just need to clarify rules and stick to them, whether the reports claim otherwise. Tough love. Sidenotes: Let's keep in mind that you've gotten rid of Fortify Resistance build up, reduced Beige from 5 days down to 2 days, removed Beige from nukes, reduced damage done from beiging from 10% down to 4%, and reduced loot taken from beige. At one point, beige was powerful (Although the game mechanics then rewarded players to not beige so their opponents couldn't build back up) then it was nerfed to favor people in maintaining some infrastructure and resources so they could come back in their battles. You will always have mass member alliances or the few elite type alliances that will find creative ways to take advantage of the changes.

Thai embassy in Turkey closes, after Ottomans colonise Sri Lanka After repeated talks with the Ottoman government, the Thai government has today announced that the Thai embassy to the Ottoman Empire will be closed, out of protest over the recent establishment of an Ottoman colony in South Asia. Additionally, Premier Mahawan has expressed great disappointment with the Ottomans, who seemed to think that due to past dealings, the Thai nation should have overlooked their questionable activities. "We welcome cooperation with friends, but we are not some whore, which can be bought for services. The Ottoman attitude towards our country and the free peoples of Asia is deplorable and until they improve their attitude, there will be no further exchange of representatives." On the question whether this would potentially mean greater tensions in the region, Mahawan has responded with "Very likely." Asked on whether the Thai people had to fear conflict, the Premier responded with a "I do hope that there will be no further escalation, but Thailand will have to be ready to protect itself and the values it believes in. We are a people of peace, but that does not mean we can just show weakness when it becomes clear that oppression and imperialism become en vogue again."

Thank you mayor at least someone is with me that bk is shit

Isn't it a contradiction?

Maybe it's cancer from reading these forums? Holy shit, who cares. Fight or don't, then move the frick on.

What the hell is your guys problem? Can't you see this guy has simply had enough? Like seriously what the fricking hell is your fricking problem you stupid fricking !@#$. You just go on and slander this poor guy and give him hell when he clearly does not deserve it. BK is just the fricking worst alliance of all time. Everyone in their alliance is utter crap. Their alliance belongs in the trash. I can not believe this unacceptable behavior. Casey is an upstanding member of the community and you guys just frick him on every turn. This is exactly the kind of crap I expect from shitty BK. I personally have been bullied from them on many occasions and never deserved it. I have been nothing but polite and friendly to BK but they just fricking shit in your face all day. That is all you can expect from that alliance I guess. Alex, please delete BK. It is only fair to Casey and the rest of us who have suffered their bullying tactics. -mayor

Nah, just buy a spare LCS for $180,000. Then your personal pronouns would be Captain/Capt.

Ivan was rather suprised to recive an invation from an machine of all things but not wanting to be rude borded an plane for Moscow, Ivan was not sure what he'd fine in the machine capital but this would give him an chance to look at how productive they where compared to everyone else and if he should consider the geth presance an indrect threat to Salazarstani presance and mybe even world peace.

Why stop there, cuck? Just go ahead and buy a T-72 tank for $140,000.

Oh boy what an interesting change, then wars can have exactly 0 interaction with enemies beyond them clicking "launch nuke". They already have very little input beyond that as it stands right now anyway, what with everyone with nukes in the current conflict firing them behind almost no infra, 0 native loot, and hidden alliance banks resulting in also 0 loot. Kudos goes to the one guy I have fought sofar who didn't do one of the last 2 steps, even tho he only fired a single nuke before beige. Alex has bigger problems to fix than "I want my numbers to go up even higher than someone elses by logging in once a day and clicking a single button." No thank you, Next.

Claiming Cambodia. Should be four provinces.

It was in the early morning hours, that Thai military forces started to cross the border into Cambodia, meeting little resistance, as Cambodians merely looked at the passing trucks and tanks somewhat wide-eyed and unsure about the whole measure. Already some time ago Thailand had taken over Laos and had started developing the area, but the people of Cambodia felt even less connected to the Thai and the occupation by Thai forces did cause fears of oppression in the future. However, at the end of the day, there was little they could do, but wait, whether the Thai government would try to destroy Cambodia, or whether they'd stay true to their word, when they officially proclaimed at the start of the operation: "Today, the Thai nation has started to send troops to its neighbours in Cambodia, to establish an autonomous protectorate under the Thai crown, to allow the Cambodian people to prosper and to develop Cambodia for eventual self-governance. This move has been prompted in the face of increasing concerns over potential colonialist ambitions outside powers might have on Southeast Asia and while we are a people of peace, valuing diplomacy, trade and prosperity, we also value freedom and liberty and the cooperation of Southeast Asian peoples. As the country that has, the Thai nation has to care for the countries that have not and protect its sibling nations from the wolves that lurk out there and try to reenact their colonialism of the 19th century. The people of Southeast Asia have not forgotten what it means to bear the burden of exploitation by others and we shall never forget." -Pacharapun Mahawan, Prime Minister of Thailand

Why doesn't Acadia just legalize raiding of their members? Firstly, its a distinctive point of alliance and cultural identity. Getting raided is an iconic event in Acadia. We can say "there was a mass raid today" and you already know with reasonable certainty which alliance it happened in. It's comparable to saying "some dumb noob made an alliance yesterday"; to say which alliance it occurred in is essentially redundant due to it being a proud allusive icon of the team. Like poor leadership and glorified weakness, it would be delusional to pretend getting mass raided are not a unique figure of alliance heritage to stand out among other IQ aligned alliances. As such, it should be legalised or at least decriminalised in order to preserve this cultural tradition. Secondly, due to the fun nature of the act and the large bounty attached to it, most perpetrators end up getting free loot after partaking in the raid. It is clear from the past statistics that countering will not prevent this fun act, but will instead lead to increased number of hungry nations and compound the already disturbing rate of new raiding alliances in Orbis. Both these figures can be mediated through the decriminalisation of raiding of members. Finally, it seems as if the act of a mass raiding, in a perverse sense, a symbol of unity and bonding that can provide common ground for the traditionally severe dichotomy of Arrgh and Terminal Jest. Through the fun acts of mass raiding committed by both these groups, Acadian members may finally come to realize that the true issue is not which merciless, jealous alliance you pay to not raid you, but rather how much of a delusional schizophrenic you are. This moment of epiphany has the power to break down traditional barriers and allow you, as an alliance, to advance to the top 10 and begin considering more important issues. It just seems as if legalize raiding of members is the right thing to do.

tkr-nb is the new ts-alpha

Let me correct you.... You mean the alliance who stole the theme of my friend nation, calling themselves House Tyrell is declaring war on Acadia.

You're going to have to speak to my e-lawyer. No comment at this time. And that's why you're team Samwise in the Grumpy Civil War! Fight the powah! I like that your emoticons went through the 5 stages of grief. On that note,

So, um, please use punctuations like the '.' or the ',' please. I couldn't read the post. The post bullied my eyes and mind. That's a reason I am giving you a down rep.

Says the one who blocked sunset and keeps leaving the server

Who has the fastest F5 in Orbis? We'll learn shortly.

This is the first forum post I'm liking from NB. fun stuff and Sammy is a savage. Everyone knows how NB is feeling:

We did it for the stats guys. Also, thanks a ton Johan!

Well done Rose. Mama's proud of you. And I will be perpetually jealous of people who get to fight Polaris and Cornerstone. They build to lose every time. Edit: Inb4 BK claims to be doing better than Rose because of raw damage again.

All this was because we started missing you